Australia v England, 3rd Test, 16th December , 23.30

[chopsfc007]

It's massively concerning. We had high hopes on him to score runs and he just isn't doing it and after 5 innings, that has to be a concern. 1 or 2 failures then fair enough, but he's onto 5 now and that is massively concerning. This isn't Yorkshire vs Glamorgan in April or Zimbabwe in May at home. This is arguably the pinnacle of Test Match cricket and he's just not delivering (he isn't the only one either). There is a lot of concern with this series so far regarding performances and Brook's batting, mentality and low scoring is one of those concerns which is a reasonable criticism to make so far.

The series will be all irrelevant after tomorrow and this lot will go down in the history books of failing massively and losing The Ashes in 10-11 days.

Absolutely nobody is doubting Brook is talented, however he is incredibly stupid at times and he seriously needs to adapt to the game situation otherwise we'll just keep pissing in the wind as teams will just lay the bait which is what Australia have done massively, especially in the first 2 tests which nobody can really dispute.

To clarify.... Nobody is doubting his talented Harry Brook is.

You also said that he's entitled to a bad series so you shouldn't be concerned, people criticise awful shots but go way over the top root hasn't been great in Australia in general I didn't see anyone concerned about him, and stokes batting under this leadership before Australia wasn't great didn't see much criticism of him

 

[GordonMuchallNo1Fan]

You also said that he's entitled to a bad series so you shouldn't be concerned, people criticise awful shots but go way over the top root hasn't been great in Australia in general I didn't see anyone concerned about him, and stokes batting under this leadership before Australia wasn't great didn't see much criticism of him

Everyone has bad days but it doesn't mean to say you can just brush it off. If you're a manager in the office and someone keeps failing at doing their job, you would have every right to be concerned, especially when as a manager you know that person can do the job to a high level. You would notice it very quickly, address it and look at ways of quickly fixing it.

In this situation it's the mentality of Brook that is the concern (again I repeat I am not doubting his talent) and it needs to be accepted as a concern otherwise it won't ever change. He needs to adapt and understand the game situation. He needs to watch how Stokes has batted in his last two innings.

In 5 innings, Brook has faced 181 balls this series, that's not good enough. He needs to adapt quickly because it's clearly lacking in his game.

You will find I've criticised Stokes, and I have criticised plenty of his captaincy decisions this series also. However his mentality and toughness on the field is one of the best in Test Cricket and he's a captain I'd love to play for and would love as my leader because he gets stuck in and never hides.

 

[Parkside]

Harry brooks record speaks for itself I'm not going to worry about a bad series which everyone has of course he needs to play more sensible.

His record is that he persists in playing silly shots and regardless of any inate talent you're are not a good nor a team player if you do that. If a player persists in being irresponsible criticism is perfectly justifiable and not in anyway ott.

 

[GingerNick]

stokes and archer are pretty much the only ones who have shown any sort of application in 3 tests, the rest have been totally lacking in concentration and effort

 

[chopsfc007]

His record is that he persists in playing silly shots and regardless of any inate talent you're are not a good nor a team player if you do that. If a player persists in being irresponsible criticism is perfectly justifiable and not in anyway ott.

It is when other players have done similarly ones with overall far worse records as well

 

[Parkside]

Everyone has bad days but it doesn't mean to say you can just brush it off. If you're a manager in the office and someone keeps failing at doing their job, you would have every right to be concerned, especially when as a manager you know that person can do the job to a high level. You would notice it very quickly, address it and look at ways of quickly fixing it.

In this situation it's the mentality of Brook that is the concern (again I repeat I am not doubting his talent) and it needs to be accepted as a concern otherwise it won't ever change. He needs to adapt and understand the game situation. He needs to watch how Stokes has batted in his last two innings.

In 5 innings, Brook has faced 181 balls this series, that's not good enough. He needs to adapt quickly because it's clearly lacking in his game.

You will find I've criticised Stokes, and I have criticised plenty of his captaincy decisions this series also. However his mentality and toughness on the field is one of the best in Test Cricket and he's a captain I'd love to play for and would love as my leader because he gets stuck in and never hides.

f@rting against the wind is the expression when trying to apply reasoned logic with him
However we're all entitled to an opinion and it is the season of goodwill.

It is when other players have done similarly ones with overall far worse records as well

That's the argument -the other players are of limited ability. You're fully entitled to your opinion.

 

[chopsfc007]

f@rting against the wind is the expression when trying to apply reasoned logic with him
However we're all entitled to an opinion and it is the season of goodwill.

That's the argument -the other players are of limited ability. You're fully entitled to your opinion.

I thought you don't have a pop at me

 

[Parkside]

I thought you don't have a pop at me

I'm expressing a wholly justifiable impression to another poster. I'd be more than justified at accusing you of "having a pop" at me given your contradiction of almost any opinion that I express which your interpret as unjustifiable criticism.

 

[Safc98]

Ahmed has taken 28 more career wickets than Jacks, in 22 less games. There is less than a run in their batting averages and Ahmed has more centuries.

He would be a risky selection as a front line spinner, but he is better than Jacks.

Let’s see how he goes in Div One first then

There is something whatsoever to suggest Jacks would take wickets in division 2

He’s also a baz baller with the bat, that’s why he plays so much white ball stuff

If Jacks isn’t the answer then neither is Ahmed. Both county level players.

 

[chopsfc007]

I'm expressing a wholly justifiable impression to another poster. I'd be more than justified at accusing you of "having a pop" at me given your contradiction of almost any opinion that I express which your interpret as unjustifiable criticism.

Don't have a pop and i apologise you don't seem enjoy the cricket never seen you anything other than negative

 

[Parkside]

If Jacks isn’t the answer then neither is Ahmed. Both county level players.

It's surely premature to categorise a wrist spinner who is only 21 year old. It's an extremely difficult skill to acquire.

Don't have a pop and i apologise you don't seem enjoy the cricket never seen you anything other than negative

I've been enjoying and having intelligent discussions on cricket for 70+ years. If you interpret observations as negative and them as "having a pop" so be it.

 

[Cornsay62]

What role is expected of Will Jacks At test level his bits and pieces type of player always get found out

 

[GordonMuchallNo1Fan]

I've got nowt against Jacks, I thought he batted well 2nd innings last test. Yes his stats are poor no denying that. However the bigger question is "what the hell is he doing playing in the first place, when this pathway shite has been prepping Bashir for several years for this series"

 

[Mr Redknapp]

I've got nowt against Jacks, I thought he batted well 2nd innings last test. Yes his stats are poor no denying that. However the bigger question is "what the hell is he doing playing in the first place, when this pathway shite has been prepping Bashir for several years for this series"

Exactly mate, it's not his fault he got called up and he's not going to turn it down and seems a decent honest lad that's a white ball specialist. Unfortunately we seen these performances with the ball coming, did ok with the bat but he's one of those selections that try to cover bases with someone who is not quite good enough for either and old fashioned bits and pieces players.

I have enjoyed watching Australia showing England how it's done by playing aggressive cricket but can dig-in when needed.

 

[SAFC11]

I've got nowt against Jacks, I thought he batted well 2nd innings last test. Yes his stats are poor no denying that. However the bigger question is "what the hell is he doing playing in the first place, when this pathway shite has been prepping Bashir for several years for this series"

I was reading a guardian article on him and how he just get chucked in as a jack of all trades when things are going bad and out of ideas. Also how it must be incredibly difficult to even show the best of yourself in that scenario

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[Mr Redknapp]

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Good analysis, my mate who doesn't follow cricket a lot posed a good question along the lines of surely it's impossible to play effectively with that sort of aggression over a game that lasts 5 days. He is spot on for me like... won't mention he's a Gateshead lad
to quote the great Del Boy

"they're in shtuck"

 

[jcrossan]

We're way past staring down the barrel.

The shotgun's been fired and we're in tatters.

 

[Mr Redknapp]

We're way past staring down the barrel.

The shotgun's been fired and we're in tatters.

Can't disagree there like, not over yet but I think i'm being optimistic. Australia have schooled England without fielding their strongest XI yet. Jim Maxwell was scathing in his opinion of Jacks yesterday morning comparing him to the old great English spinners that have toured OZ in the past century, he rated him as a bat though.

 

[Eggman]

What role is expected of Will Jacks At test level his bits and pieces type of player always get found out

It’s not his fault that he gets selected, but having said that, there should be no room for bits and pieces cricketers at Test level.

All selections should be on merit as a batter, bowler or genuine all rounder.

He’s none of the above

 

[Mr Redknapp]

It’s not his fault that he gets selected, but having said that, there should be no room for bits and pieces cricketers at Test level.

All selections should be on merit as a batter, bowler or genuine all rounder.

He’s none of the above

Can't blame the lad to jump at the chance to play for England in an Ashes series mate, totally agree. He has done his best.