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Any changes for 2nd Test 🤔

Had a listen to the stick to cricket podcast earlier, didn’t make for easy listening. You’ve got 2 former England captains, who’ve both won ashes series, questioning the prep, the execution and the refusal to take on the pink ball tour game.

I was fairly confident heading into the series, but I can’t see us getting a win. I thought they’d expand on the sensible version of BazBall we saw against India but they’ve regressed.

It seems like they’re just going to come out swinging in every innings on the evidence of the 1st test and the stuff coming out from players post match. Unless the Aussies have a horrific day with the ball and the pitch is flat as a pancake, we’ll struggle to bat for a full day.
 

chunkyshanhawk53 said:
Foakes was messed around. He never got a run at all. The odd test here and there. I can always see the arguments against him, but he was badly treated

Pope averaged nearly 60 at the time, he was always going to be picked.
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Well yeah that’s my point if you good enough like Pope you well be picked.

And the fact that Foakes was picked in the first place suggests it’s not purely based of T20 or scoring quickly as poster suggested.
 
chunkyshanhawk53 said:
Foakes was messed around. He never got a run at all. The odd test here and there. I can always see the arguments against him, but he was badly treated

Pope averaged nearly 60 at the time, he was always going to be picked.
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Foakes made me miss the days when you had a true specialist wicketkeeper. No he wasn't the best batsman around, but at the time he was by far and away the best keeper in the country.
 
Keith S30S said:
I would basically pick who the Aussies would least like to face. Therefore Wood plays 100%. He needs to get his pace and his aggression up.

The Aussies would be absolutely licking their lips if Bashir plays. He's bang average and would get some serious tap.

Crawley is a potential match winner if he can stay at the crease. A big ask.

I'd pick the same side. No issues with burn out or fitness after a 2 day test. They picked the right team for the first test. We didn't score enough runs and bowled shit once. Root is the key and Stokes' batting too. They both need to come to party batting wise.
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It's not even that the bowlers bowled like shit in the second innings. They executed what they were trying to do, it's just that what they were trying to do was completely wrong.

What worked in the first innings was good line and length. Putting the ball in areas that the batsman had to play, and where any seam or swing immediately gives you the chance of a wicket.

But in the second innings, as soon as they faced a challenge, when that tactic didn't get them a wicket straight away, they just started banging the ball in short on almost ever delivery. Modern batsmen just aren't threatened by the short ball unless it's being done with express pace, and all of our quicks were 3-5mph slower in the second innings. Just enough to stop the short ball being threatening. Then when the short ball tactic didn't work they didn't rethink, try and come up with a different approach, they just kept on doing it.

It wasn't bad bowling, because they were doing exactly what they were trying to do. It was just dumb bowling because what they were trying was never going to work.
 
Voice of fair play said:
Well yeah that’s my point if you good enough like Pope you well be picked.

And the fact that Foakes was picked in the first place suggests it’s not purely based of T20 or scoring quickly as poster suggested.
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Foakes was discarded because he wasn't bazballing -he certainly wasn't discarded because of his wicketkeeping. Recent selections have all been based on white ball performances. Selectors have stated that they don't monitor CC performances.
Address the fallacies in your posts when they're pointed out.
 
DonaldDownTheWing said:
Had a listen to the stick to cricket podcast earlier, didn’t make for easy listening. You’ve got 2 former England captains, who’ve both won ashes series, questioning the prep, the execution and the refusal to take on the pink ball tour game.

I was fairly confident heading into the series, but I can’t see us getting a win. I thought they’d expand on the sensible version of BazBall we saw against India but they’ve regressed.

It seems like they’re just going to come out swinging in every innings on the evidence of the 1st test and the stuff coming out from players post match. Unless the Aussies have a horrific day with the ball and the pitch is flat as a pancake, we’ll struggle to bat for a full day.
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You know for a fact that they won't learn from this. They haven't learnt from any of the times in the last couple of years when bazball has failed and they won't learn from it now.
 
Parkside said:
Foakes was discarded because he wasn't bazballing -he certainly wasn't discarded because of his wicketkeeping. Recent selections have all been based on white ball performances. Selectors have stated that they don't monitor CC performances.
Address the fallacies in your posts when they're pointed out.
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Foakes can certainly count himself unlucky but Smith has been a revalation so we haven't missed Foakes at all and I like him.

A quick glance at the averages, Foakes 29 which is at the very bottom end for a batter / keeper these days and Smith nearly 47 which is towards the top end for any batter.
 
mackinbristol said:
You know for a fact that they won't learn from this. They haven't learnt from any of the times in the last couple of years when bazball has failed and they won't learn from it now.
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Aye, I’ll watch some of the 2nd test before work and hope it’s not a disaster, but it’ll be in hope rather than expectation.
 
Keith S30S said:
Foakes can certainly count himself unlucky but Smith has been a revalation so we haven't missed Foakes at all and I like him.
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True -Foakes was discarded because Smith was regarded as a finer aggressive batsman.He has been as guilty,however, as others, of being wholly irresponsible with his shot selection when a more controlled approach was required.
 
Parkside said:
True -Foakes was discarded because Smith was regarded as a finer aggressive batsman.He has been as guilty,however, as others, of being wholly irresponsible with his shot selection when a more controlled approach was required.
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Fair enough but when you have a test average of 47 you have plenty of runs in the tank to more than justify your spot.
 
DonaldDownTheWing said:
Had a listen to the stick to cricket podcast earlier, didn’t make for easy listening. You’ve got 2 former England captains, who’ve both won ashes series, questioning the prep, the execution and the refusal to take on the pink ball tour game.

I was fairly confident heading into the series, but I can’t see us getting a win. I thought they’d expand on the sensible version of BazBall we saw against India but they’ve regressed.

It seems like they’re just going to come out swinging in every innings on the evidence of the 1st test and the stuff coming out from players post match. Unless the Aussies have a horrific day with the ball and the pitch is flat as a pancake, we’ll struggle to bat for a full day.
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Yet there’s plenty of Aussies including Stuart Law today saying that going to Canberra for a pink ball game on the lowest, slowest surface in Australia and then going to Brisbane where it has a fair bit of bounce would be poor preparation.
 
Keith S30S said:
Fair enough but when you have a test average of 47 you have plenty of runs in the tank to more than justify your spot.
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Not suggesting for a moment he hasn't but he's still a comparitive novice and opposition nowadays are very astute at identifying weaknesses. He's got himself out lately by being overtly aggressive. Opposition are getting wise to Bazball.
 
rentaghost said:
Yet there’s plenty of Aussies including Stuart Law today saying that going to Canberra for a pink ball game on the lowest, slowest surface in Australia and then going to Brisbane where it has a fair bit of bounce would be poor preparation.
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There’s 4 or 5 players in the team who’ve never played a game with a pink ball. Smith, Bashir, Carse, Brook may have done in NZ.

Even on a different surface it would surely be better to have some experience than none at all. And given Crawley spent about 10 minutes total in the middle it would’ve been beneficial.

Surely anything is better than another round of golf.
 
mackinbristol said:
You know for a fact that they won't learn from this. They haven't learnt from any of the times in the last couple of years when bazball has failed and they won't learn from it now.
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Tbh I think a lot of people thought they’d learnt as last summer was much better. The first test in this series was probably the most idiotic batting performance any of us have ever seen though
 
Voice of fair play said:
Well yeah that’s my point if you good enough like Pope you well be picked.

And the fact that Foakes was picked in the first place suggests it’s not purely based of T20 or scoring quickly as poster suggested.
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Pope and Foakes were both already in the side before McCullum?

They stayed on under him and one got discarded. Lees was the other one discarded.

Rew won't get picked unless McCullum/Key/Stokes all go.

I would maintain young Root wouldn't get picked by this setup. Neither would have Cook so basically England two most proficient run scorers ever

They've not picked any batsman yet from County Cricket that isn't a white ball dasher.
 
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They're having 5 net sessions prior to 2nd test ,2 under lights,which is probably better than going to Canberra.
Now let's hope they've had time to reflect and make a more thoughtful and responsible approach in both batting and bowling.
 
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