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Retirement

Don't wish your life awa5wait8ng for retirement, enjoy the moment.
Do you seriously think I'm just sitting rocking back and forward in the corner of a dark room, holding my knees wishing I was retired?

This "wish your life away" phrase comes up on this thread a lot, and to me it doesn't mean anything. It is just a way for people to scoff without actually saying much.

It is possible to enjoy life now and plan for the future.
 

Do you seriously think I'm just sitting rocking back and forward in the corner of a dark room, holding my knees wishing I was retired?

This "wish your life away" phrase comes up on this thread a lot, and to me it doesn't mean anything. It is just a way for people to scoff without actually saying much.

It is possible to enjoy life now and plan for the future.

Its usually tradies who are trying to justify them not making provision for old age.
 
Just discovered this brilliant thread and am reading back as much as I can as there is so much great information and advice.

I’m in my mid 50’s, still enjoy my job and had never thought at all about retirement but after some recent health issues and surgery (nothing life threatening) and seeing what has happened with some of the lads I grew up with, who have had serious health issues, also know loads of people who have worked at the same place as me and within a year or two of retiring have died, it’s completely changed my perspective and i’ve started to plan ahead and have ran some pension projections over the last couple of days.

I’m now thinking that I would like to retire in my early 60’s so around 5 or 6 years time, my wife is a bit younger than me and will still be working (which she is delighted about :)) which will boost our income. At that point we will still have a chunk outstanding on our mortgage as we borrowed extra a few years ago for work on our house but I could clear that from my pension lump sum and still have a decent amount left and an annual pension of around £22k. By then our son will be through school and we will still be supporting him but he might not be too far off from the working world or whatever he wants to do. I’ve got a separate AVC plan which has around £5k in which I haven’t been paying into and I have an appointment booked with a pension advisor via my employer to get the best advice on that, which will probably be to start to pay into it (I’m been pretty disorganised on all this to date).

I definitely want to retire while I am in good health and can still enjoy life, I won’t ever have a problem filling my time, I will take up golf again, start to do some walking/hiking, read more, travel more not tied to school holiday times and catch up with mates who have already retired and the occasional time in the odd pub which I haven’t really done for years. Now I’ve started to really think about it I’m quite excited about it all.

This thread has been a great source of information and inspiration.
 
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The AVCs are ran by prudential but are a part of the LGPS. I’ve have a email somewhere from the scheme that explains what I should receive.

Tax-free cash​

If you take your AVC plan at the same time as your main Scheme benefits, you can take up to 100% of it as tax-free cash. You can do this as long as your total lump sums from the LGPS are not more than:

  • 25% of the total value of your LGPS benefits, including the AVC plan
  • £268,275
  • £268,275 less any tax-free lump sums you have already taken from pensions.
One of the things the govt would probably like to reduce in the budget , along with tax relief , whether they do or not we will see
 
Its usually tradies who are trying to justify them not making provision for old age.
There's a lot of truth in that. I've been paying into a private pension for the past 35 yesrs and it's still not enough to retire on. Well it is but I'd have to cut down a lot on holidays and hobbies compared to what I do now. I think the biggest problem for tradies is when you go a couple of weeks or even months without work, then it's hard to take savings to pay into a pension when you don't know where your next wage is coming from. A lot of the old pension schemes ran by companies for those on paye were dire. I recently found a receipt for a company pension scheme I was in about 45 years ago. The amount in the scheme was £16, I still get updates every year on what this investment is worth now and it's a massive £26, that's total not a monthly or yearly amount.
I'm not bitter about having a shit pension because I sort of semi retired when I was 20, working 6 months over the winter then having 6 months off over the summer travelling through Europe, Africa, South America anywhere I wanted infact. You could say I retired when I was young enough to enjoy it more than if I retired in my 50's.
If I had my time again I'd do exactly the same again but I would try and put more cash into a decent pension scheme rather than spunking it on drink and drugs etc.
At the minute I'm aiming to fully retire at the end of this tax year but realistically I know in March I'll just carry on working as I still enjoy the crack and the money comes in handy.
 
One of the things the govt would probably like to reduce in the budget , along with tax relief , whether they do or not we will see

Problem with doing that is youre just making pensions less attractive, and ISA more attractive (especially for self employed). So any cuts will be at the top end for those on 45% tax & massive pots. Shouldn't affect average people i wouldn't have thought.
 
Probably right. 229 pages and only one single post by that poster, popping up saying I'm wasting my life by wanting to retire at 58 and enjoy life. Weird behaviour if you ask me.
I’ve documented my experience of approaching retirement and retiring on this thread a couple of times so won’t repeat but the amount of negative people / comments i experienced vastly outnumbered the positive ones.
I’m not sure why some feel the need to rubbish retirement or retirement planning, to me it’s horses for courses, it’s right for some and not for others, no right or wrong about it. If you retire and love it crack on, if you live to work then crack on. As long as you’re happy it doesn’t matter, really no need to have a dig at the opposite plan imho.

I’m 58 now and retired at 55, my Wife retired with me at 51, we are living the / our dream. We love every day that we don’t have to dance to the beat of someone else’s drum, the freedom is immense. I have friends that love work and can’t imagine giving it up, they are also happy fair enough as far as I’m concerned.
 
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One of the things the govt would probably like to reduce in the budget , along with tax relief , whether they do or not we will see

If they were thinking long term, they'd make (keep) private pensions more attractive and gradually move towards the state pension being means tested.

Course, the way UK governments/election work there is no real incentive to think long term. But that's one for another thread.
 
If they were thinking long term, they'd make (keep) private pensions more attractive and gradually move towards the state pension being means tested.

Course, the way UK governments/election work there is no real incentive to think long term. But that's one for another thread.

Problem with means testing state pension is that you then make private pensions less attractive (and maybe using ISAs as a loophole, which does work with WFA mean testing).
Maybe they need to make state pension less attractive, scrap triple lock, and allow some fiscal drag on it to encourage more to put into private pensions. But then people will just moan about how much NI they pay etc.
Its a no win situation really.
 
Problem with means testing state pension is that you then make private pensions less attractive (and maybe using ISAs as a loophole, which does work with WFA mean testing).
Maybe they need to make state pension less attractive, scrap triple lock, and allow some fiscal drag on it to encourage more to put into private pensions. But then people will just moan about how much NI they pay etc.
Its a no win situation really.

Triple lock needs to go. It's unsustainable.

The alternative of pushing up the age limit every 5 years is a shocker.
 
It is indeed. If you have no other income between 55 and 67 then it makes it much more attractive to take the money earlier. (Same applies if you'd be a 40% tax payer at 67 Vs 20% at 55).

£6k tax free is equivalent to £7.5k taxed. So if wait until 67 to take £12k per year you'd need to live to roughly 82 to 'break even'.

Different for everyone but by 82 I reckon I'd be content to have got there rather than annoyed I missed out on extra £s by waiting.

Edit: Not financial advice. Just my personal outlook.
This is exactly my view and exactly what I did. I was made redundant and took my much reduced pension early at 59. I had no other income so a reduced pension sees me until 67. I’m now 62.

My break even point was 83 and I decided that I’d prefer less money now whilst I can use it rather than wait until 2030 when I’m 67 having used up saving for 8 years. In reality, I’m not sure I’d have had sufficient money to last that long. One massive advantage I did have when I calculated this out was that my mortgage had been paid of a few years prior to redundancy. And, TBH, I don’t know I’m going to get to 67. I hope so but I may not!
 
Just discovered this brilliant thread and am reading back as much as I can as there is so much great information and advice.

I’m in my mid 50’s, still enjoy my job and had never thought at all about retirement but after some recent health issues and surgery (nothing life threatening) and seeing what has happened with some of the lads I grew up with, who have had serious health issues, also know loads of people who have worked at the same place as me and within a year or two of retiring have died, it’s completely changed my perspective and i’ve started to plan ahead and have ran some pension projections over the last couple of days.

I’m now thinking that I would like to retire in my early 60’s so around 5 or 6 years time, my wife is a bit younger than me and will still be working (which she is delighted about :)) which will boost our income. At that point we will still have a chunk outstanding on our mortgage as we borrowed extra a few years ago for work on our house but I could clear that from my pension lump sum and still have a decent amount left and an annual pension of around £22k. By then our son will be through school and we will still be supporting him but he might not be too far off from the working world or whatever he wants to do. I’ve got a separate AVC plan which has around £5k in which I haven’t been paying into and I have an appointment booked with a pension advisor via my employer to get the best advice on that, which will probably be to start to pay into it (I’m been pretty disorganised on all this to date).

I definitely want to retire while I am in good health and can still enjoy life, I won’t ever have a problem filling my time, I will take up golf again, start to do some walking/hiking, read more, travel more not tied to school holiday times and catch up with mates who have already retired and the occasional time in the odd pub which I haven’t really done for years. Now I’ve started to really think about it I’m quite excited about it all.

This thread has been a great source of information and inspiration.
Great, hope things work out as you plan.
When we were calculating when we could retire and chatting about it, I got quite demotivated and pissed off with the last 3-ish months. My work quality suffered.
I've been retired 13 years and they've been the best years of my life.
When your time comes, take your alarm clock into the nearest field and see how far you van throw it.
 
Great, hope things work out as you plan.
When we were calculating when we could retire and chatting about it, I got quite demotivated and pissed off with the last 3-ish months. My work quality suffered.
I've been retired 13 years and they've been the best years of my life.
When your time comes, take your alarm clock into the nearest field and see how far you van throw it.
Dead right mate . Couldn't agree more . I have less time now to do the things I want to. Its a great time of life . Motorhome to use , guitars to play , grandson to watch playing football and of course SAFC . Get retired if you can .
 
I’ve documented my experience of approaching retirement and retiring on this thread a couple of times so won’t repeat but the amount of negative people / comments i experienced vastly outnumbered the positive ones.
I’m not sure why some feel the need to rubbish retirement or retirement planning, to me it’s horses for courses, it’s right for some and not for others, no right or wrong about it. If you retire and love it crack on, if you live to work then crack on. As long as you’re happy it doesn’t matter, really no need to have a dig at the opposite plan imho.

I’m 58 now and retired at 55, my Wife retired with me at 51, we are living the / our dream. We love every day that we don’t have to dance to the beat of someone else’s drum, the freedom is immense. I have friends that love work and can’t imagine giving it up, they are also happy fair enough as far as I’m concerned.
It’s life mate there no right or wrong answer.
I think there’s a lot of the green eyed monster with a lot of people when it comes to retirement because they haven’t made provision for it.

Remember as well mate haters are always gonna hate.

My experience on here is totally different mind I’ve found this thread great.
 
I’ve documented my experience of approaching retirement and retiring on this thread a couple of times so won’t repeat but the amount of negative people / comments i experienced vastly outnumbered the positive ones.
I’m not sure why some feel the need to rubbish retirement or retirement planning, to me it’s horses for courses, it’s right for some and not for others, no right or wrong about it. If you retire and love it crack on, if you live to work then crack on. As long as you’re happy it doesn’t matter, really no need to have a dig at the opposite plan imho.

I’m 58 now and retired at 55, my Wife retired with me at 51, we are living the / our dream. We love every day that we don’t have to dance to the beat of someone else’s drum, the freedom is immense. I have friends that love work and can’t imagine giving it up, they are also happy fair enough as far as I’m concerned.
There are quite a few people around who think that anything that is not what they want or do with their life is wrong. They see things in other people's lives they can't have, have never thought of having or don't want and instead of just acknowledging the different life choices have a bit of a go. Some just point the odd meaningless but slightly snarky comments, others start huge threads about it. It is probably insecurity on their part, perhaps with some jealously. After all, I bet there are very few people on here who would not quit work if they won the lottery. If you accept that, then for all of us it is not so much work vs no work, it just comes down to your price to quit work in order to be able to support the lifestyle you want. In the absence of a lottery win, it is what sacrifices you are willing to make now and still be able to enjoy life, while planning for the future and enjoying that too.

I have posted on a few threads about picking up new hobbies and liking to build things. I have done techy stuff like garden watering automation and in the last year spent a huge amount of time leaning some woodworking skills and building my own electric guitar from scratch. In threads like those, I am often accused of having too much time on my hands - another meaningless phrase, often said by people who watch hours of quiz shows and other junk TV.

I want to retire to do more of that fun stuff I don't have enough time for, and try to structure my life to fit in as much of that as I can now.

But according to some on here I am both wishing my life away while having too much time on my hands. Err ok. Best thing to do is ignore, plan to live life with the enjoyment you see fit and ignore complete strangers nay saying. Among my jobs today is packing a bag, ordering some train tickets and ironing a shirt for work tomorrow. I'd definitely prefer to be able to afford not to.
 
Your not wishing your life away mate. Your just looking forwards . There's nothing wrong in that . I already had hobbies and I don't know what I'd do otherwise . The wife does voluntary work and I love just getting the metro and wandering round different places for a coffee. I think you both still need your own space . Some people are fine being 24/7 with each other. Each to their own . Anyway, whatever you choose, be happy.
 
I bloke I worked with did this all wrong.

He had two daughters who for a while worked at the same place. They would be forever popping in for money, and he was always a pushover. Then one of them got pregnant and her boyfriend moved in. Her room could not fit a double bed, so the boyfriend slept on the sofa. If they woke up in the middle of the night, he could not go down to the living room, and often could not go in there on a morning either if the boyfriend was sleeping in.

Then as he retired, the baby was born, so his daughter went back to work and he became the full time nanny.

65 years old, a good career and the end result was living in a house with a baby, not being able to use your own living room and spending all your retirement 'freedom' doing baby care (which is the hardest work). The daughter would often go out or away for weekends and not even ask, just hand him the child, pick up a bag and be off.

I think I'd rather keep working, and be telling the boyfriend to fuck off or find somewhere for the three of them to live.
Exactly what a fella i work with said
If he'd retire he'd just become a babysitter
 
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