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SOL expansion


oddbod said:
i dont see why you dont get it mate! the stadium is going to need multi millions to bring the corporate parts up to spec and this will require huge structural changes and im sure they are aware of the not fit for purpose concourse's throughout the stadium andthey will require enlarging so after all that and all that money spent you would say dont add seats (which would be a fraction of the overall cost)because we might not fill it .....you would have us doing all this construction and not add seats cos some fans think other fans will take the piss and we should wait until the demand is there.well personally i think that is bonkers and im certain any major development of the ground for corporate facilities will involve extra seats!..mainly because our owners are not fools!
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The club aren't going to expand the stadium if they aren't confident of the seats being filled. It would defeat the purpose of extending entirely. And the club themselves said that they will consider extending if the long term demand is there to do so. So I assume thry must be bonkers too.
 
JackL said:
I get it but its just about timing. I honestly think if we consolidate construction will begin in the next two or three years. We'll see though
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Your probably right about timing but as in most things the sooner you start the cheaper it is in the long run and the bolllocks around the council moving the goal posts
Mackemansj1 said:
Depending on costs I agree. This isn’t like when we built the extension when it was money for players had to be cut back a bit to pay for it or so people say. These days with psr etc loans and the like it should t have much effect on the playing side. It’s definitely something they will be looking at in the near future should we stay up. They know we have a ceiling as things stand. We need to look to other income streams to boost psr etc should we progress. As much as it sucks corporate is where it’s at and if we do well on the pitch it’s gonna attract more of those types. Then the stuff like concerts, we need to keep up and we’ve missed out in the past because of the lack of premium boxes and seats. It all means nowt us arguing on here at the end of the day it isn’t our money and isn’t our club. They will have plans in place to extend as it’s gonna be the easiest way to expand our income.
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If you have ambitious owners! and we clearly have everything thats happening with safc comes under the heading of "how do we grow the business and increase revenue" both on and off the pitch!Im positive this will involve expansion and improvement of the SOL but smart owners do stuff when it suits them and nobody else and they wont be affected by the opinions of small minded group of fans who dont like change or the fans that want everything done now !
North Yorks Mackem said:
The club aren't going to expand the stadium if they aren't confident of the seats being filled. It would defeat the purpose of extending entirely. And the club themselves said that they will consider extending if the long term demand is there to do so. So I assume thry must be bonkers too.
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I think you are wrong mate ! ive said this many times on the subject and i wont repeat it after answering you ! Yes im sure they fundamentally would not add seats themselves if the demand was not there as the primary driver alone .... but im sure they are going to do major construction to the south or east stand (probably south first now )to create a better fan experience and make first class corporate facilities ..

...now any massive building enterprise like that has massive up front costs before you do the building work and thats a significant chunk of the final cost .....so basically smart owners use there money wisely and if they have decided to commit money for massive building work to improve corporate they will unless they are bonkers shoe in some extra seating (because its future proofing)and would be a small part of the build cost ...

...it would be madness do spend all this money for major construction and not eek out the maximum revenue from it even if the demand is not there now! Oh yes im bonkers all right but im not a Luddite or a fool and i recognise we have smart owners and they will do smart things with their money nomatter what fans think!.. watch this space NYM!
 
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Fletch said:
South stand would , I assume, be less cost/risk than extending east stand
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I would think it would cost a lot less as it’s smaller. I think they will do it soon though to put a stop to this council nonsense. Put it to bed as their hand has been forced, I suspect they would have liked to do the east stand first. Knowing how we have been surprised this transfer window, kld might just go and do both the south and east at the same time. Now that would be a statement of intent.
 
oddbod said:
I think you are wrong mate ! ive said this many times on the subject and i wont repeat it after answering you ! Yes im sure they fundamentally would not add seats themselves if the demand was not there as the primary driver alone .... but im sure they are going to do major construction to the south or east stand (probably south first now )to create a better fan experience and make first class corporate facilities ..

...now any massive building enterprise like that has massive up front costs before you do the building work and thats a significant chunk of the final cost .....so basically smart owners use there money wisely and if they have decided to commit money for massive building work to improve corporate they will unless they are bonkers shoe in some extra seating (because its future proofing)and would be a small part of the build cost ...

...it would be madness do spend all this money for major construction and not eek out the maximum revenue from it even if the demand is not there now! Oh yes im bonkers all right but im not a Luddite or a fool and i recognise we have smart owners and they will do smart things with their money nomatter what fans think!.. watch this space NYM!
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You think im wrong for essentially quoting what the club said they will do in terms of expanding the ground? Aye OK mate.
 
Fletch said:
South stand would , I assume, be less cost/risk than extending east stand
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I think, if they do anything, it would be this, only because of the pressure of the Sheepfolds, otherwise, it's not the logical one to extend. The East Stand is as, mainly, we need more corporate, and the East Stand is the obvious first call for boxes, suites etc.
 
generalsmut said:
One of the reasons that I think we need to extend is to stop the ground becoming a closed shop to the next generation. I've got a season ticket but in a few years time I'm hoping my son (currently aged 1) will want to start going and get a season ticket. At current levels of demand and without an extension, I am not sure he will be able to get one
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Cycle of life mate as one drops off the peg another is ready to step on!
 
Just my humble opinion , let’s hopefully stay up 2 seasons in a row and sell all the tickets , vip packages before it’s built .
Then if it falls through give the money back .
No idea if it would work but seems a plan
 
Football Dinosaur said:
If either had the season they did last year this then they'd be in serious trouble. Villa, the mags and Leeds all in championship in last decade. Infrastructure planning is long term and should not be effected by potential league position. We're as in danger next year as we would be in a decade.
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Villa, the mags and Leeds aren’t the type of clubs I’m posting about though.
 
Fletch said:
South stand would , I assume, be less cost/risk than extending east stand
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It would but I personally am of the opinion it will still be done 1st, as it’s more logical from a concert perspective, and would also give more options from a corporate perspective.

All of the current noise is about Sheepfolds and club making sure the new buildings don’t compromise future south stand extension, but the club won’t base the decision on which stand to extend on that, and I’m fairly confident the council will change plans based on club and people feedback anyway.
 
generalsmut said:
One of the reasons that I think we need to extend is to stop the ground becoming a closed shop to the next generation. I've got a season ticket but in a few years time I'm hoping my son (currently aged 1) will want to start going and get a season ticket. At current levels of demand and without an extension, I am not sure he will be able to get one
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I do agree with this.

I know it’s only a couple of games in, but I know a few supporters who haven’t been able to get tickets, and these are decent fans who get to 10 games a season.

It dosent benefit us long term to shut out these types of fans, or the younger generations including grassroots teams we used to give tickets too.
 
East would make sense for more corporate, maybe they will extend the south concourse out and could even build some kind of structure to match the height of what south would eventually be, so it wipes out any objections for light etc
 
AndrewP said:
Who cares about what those fools think?

What happened to the new big screens they ordered? The one on the north stand is crap.
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It was me that first mentioned this. I don't have an update on when they're due to be installed but they were only ordered about a month before the season started. I was told a few days after the order was placed (I've no idea why they would leave it that late, can only think it would be pressure of workload while organising all of the other ground improvements prior to the season) and these things are hardly going to be an 'off the shelf product'. Saying that, I was also told that they were hoping to have them for the rugby. A work in progress is all I can say.
 
Think with attendances people often jump to a conclusion that Stadium Capacity is a defining indictor of a clubs potential fanbase but West Ham are an example to show how that isn't really the case as Capacity often limits potential.

They only used to get mid 30K crowds at Upton Park and their record crowd was 42K. Their new stadium has shown that they had the potential for far bigger crowds when I bet a lot of people would have dimissed them being able to get over 60K week in week out. Man Uniteds near 75K Capacity is nowhere near their potential.

I reckon approx potential for most weeks for the following:

100K+ = Man United and Liverpool
80-100K = Arsenal
65K - 80K = Tottenham, Chelsea, Man City, West Ham
50K - 65K = Newcastle, Everton, Villa, Sunderland, Leeds

Then circumstances come in to it. Challenging for honours, expensive ticket prices etc. Clubs could move up or down categories based on those 2 factors because West Ham and even Man City wouldn't be in the category they are now with mediocrity or relegation battles for a prolonged period.
 
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