Interesting stuff and I can appreciate the frustration. But speaking generally, driving prices higher is arguably more likely if there is a smaller capacity. Excess demand pushes prices higher, excess capacity should keep prices lower. From a fans' perspective, if prices are too high and seats are empty, it should drive clubs to stop price increases, if anything. It's another reason to support expansion, arguably.
It's the exact reason why Murray wanted the big stadium isn't it, so any fan can go to the game. Those who moan about the empty seats at the SOL (cos they look crap on TV or the mags take the piss) don't realise that if it was still 42k that in the PL then we'd be paying near what the likes of the mags pay. There certainly wouldn't be the generous concessions we have all around the ground we've enjoyed for years and allowed kids to start going at young ages to get hooked and get the next generation of fans going regularly.
Just think of the day trippers we might get once the film studio is up and running, hopefully get new backer to fulfill it's projections
We’re already seeing it on a smaller scale. We have seats at £180 which have failed to sell for the next match - all you get for that is access to a bar and a pie as well as a padded seat. Also the £570 tickets aren’t shifting which is the Michelin starred chef venture. I think our problem at the moment is there is no decent lower range hospitality options at a reasonable price.
That's your highest priority yet you don't want to expand? If we are selling out then that means 2 things, ticket price increase and concession area reductions. You only have to look at other clubs to see this. We have concessions available in most of the ground, whereas some clubs only have 1 stand or a few sections with significant concession prices.
Rather than charge top dollar not knowing if they'd sell. They should have just offered it all as 'introductory price' that would be increased next season. Now they've got empty seats that may well have sold if they'd been reasonable and possibly generated more revenue overall.
Eh?
They are shifting.
There are not enough people within our catchment area who can afford those prices, unlike the London clubs. Our revenue will always be limited. Probably Fulham, who get 18,000 less than us, will generate more income from league games, if counting everything from season tickets to match day spend.
I didn’t say that at all. There are still about 100 tickets on sale at £180 where you get a pie and a padded seat. Do you think it’s good value for money?
That’s your opinion on value. I wouldn’t pay it. It’s not aimed at me. But plenty will.
People being bothered about empty seats.
The huge difference back then was the crowds fluctuated wildly. We could get 50,000 one game and yet 20,000 the next game.
Also bear in mind, it's not all about match day revenue as due to having more fans being able to go to games, means those fans would be more likely to buy merchandise and other stuff that would mean more money for the club in some way.
Seats?The huge difference back then was the crowds fluctuated wildly. We could get 50,000 one game and yet 20,000 the next game.
We had 41 league games higher than 50,000 in the 50s (27 times) & 60s (14 times). I did a chart a while ago showing the whole post war attendances but I've cropped the 50s & 60s below. You can see the peaks but then the lows as the attendances were all over the place. I bet there was huge debate in the pubs back then about the empty seats and glory seekers
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It could well be like the Atletico Madrid attendance like @ErichZann posted HERE but the huge difference is, there's no fans unable to get a tickets due to lack of supply or fans then having to pay higher match tickets. Do Atletico bring up the subject of empty seats and be bothered about it showing on TV as much as we do? I think it's as @Blyth mentioned, a UK thing.
The truth is there's no perfect number for capacity and even now if we had a 63,000 capacity attendances would fluctuate. That could be due to opposition, league position but one of the main factors would be price. If we didn't sell enough then drop the ticket prices, especially for young bairns up to U22s. We'd soon find out the true limit of fans who want to go to the match.
The big difference being young fans growing up and going to the game and getting SAFC under their skin and becoming hooked
Because if their average can be 10k below capacity then ours can be too. It'll be full for big games
I’m old enough to remember atletico Madrid getting relegated
And worse still, those £180 tickets are £300 for some games and the others become £800 - for one game. Mental really.
