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One other observation: that reads like a good legal letter. Cites precedent and regulation, sets out their objections clearly, and points the finger - very explicitly - at the people they think are responsible for changing the proposed 450 properties into 600. The demand for access to all correspondence and records relating to the change (including from a certain council chief exec) may provide quite a popcorn moment. I’m 100% not an anti-council nutjob like many out there, but someone’s been fast and loose with procedures, it seems…
 
Brett said:
Terrifies that anyone would vote reform when you look at last weekend and think Sunderland is massively on the up
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Credit where due but can’t help thinking the actual threat of not being able to just do fuck all and keep their seats like the last 25 years didn’t half serve as motivation.
 
Mowgli said:
That's probably likely to happen regardless of this stadium planning stuff.
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Yeah some people are just blinkered if you go off social media, they must never leave the house.

Video came up on my feed of a family who'd visited the area saying how good it was, they'd done the theatre, went to the beach (the weather definitely helped), had food in North, visited the Stables, went to the Museum (and the Angel of the North weirdly). Were full of praise for the place but so many comments were "I'm from Sunderland, it's a shit hole, nowt hear". That was literally on a video of a family who'd literally spent a weekend doing things and were singing it's praises :lol:
 
TZMouk said:
Yeah some people are just blinkered if you go off social media, they must never leave the house.

Video came up on my feed of a family who'd visited the area saying how good it was, they'd done the theatre, went to the beach (the weather definitely helped), had food in North, visited the Stables, went to the Museum (and the Angel of the North weirdly). Were full of praise for the place but so many comments were "I'm from Sunderland, it's a shit hole, nowt hear". That was literally on a video of a family who'd literally spent a weekend doing things and were singing it's praises :lol:
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Sad really. These people are just dullards and blame everybody else for their shite life... but they'll be voting.
 
Brett said:
You don't vote someone out when there have done so much good

Yes maybe the plans were not great but it will get resolved

That's how planning permission works
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It doesn't always get resolved mate. Generally the consultation pre planning resolves these issues before the planning application is submitted, not after.

I think the majority of people would be all for the plans providing they were not negatively affecting the club. I agree the recent and continued development of the City have been fantastic, but if this goes ahead without a buffer zone, people will quickly forget all the good work, it will be a disaster.

@James is it possible they could introduce a buffer as a condition to prevent limiting expansion?
 
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mikem said:
One other observation: that reads like a good legal letter. Cites precedent and regulation, sets out their objections clearly, and points the finger - very explicitly - at the people they think are responsible for changing the proposed 450 properties into 600. The demand for access to all correspondence and records relating to the change (including from a certain council chief exec) may provide quite a popcorn moment. I’m 100% not an anti-council nutjob like many out there, but someone’s been fast and loose with procedures, it seems…
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I mean I know you mean well but makes me laugh stating it reads like a good legal letter. Ofcourse it is its by a professional commercial legal team and Kyril has the familys legal and financial advisors on the board and at the end of the telephone. They will rip the council to bits quite easily without breaking sweat
 
RedandWhiteRebel said:
Some of these modern stages are circular and go in the centre of the pitch. If that trend continues then an extended South Stand would increase capacity for concerts.
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Very very few concerts use them stages to be fair.

Has anyone since Ed Sheeran? Genuine question I can't think of any - sure there's been someone though.
 
I have to say I agree with most of what Copley says here. Other than saying there are no extension plans currently. On a thread that includes extension plans the club have had created :lol:
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MadMackem10 said:
I have to say I agree with most of what Copley says here. Other than saying there are no extension plans currently. On a thread that includes extension plans the club have had created :lol:
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Surely we could also offer to host other games/events which again will bring people to the region? An example being that rugby game Friday.

Having residential right next to something that could be so different in 5/10 years is baffling. I think most know that NIMBYs will be out in force if any changes are proposed or they simply moan about the noise and disruption when any events are on.

As for the 'empty stadium looks shite' brigade, the club could easily drop tickets so more come. We need to keep it as it is with tickets affordable to all and the signs of ticket price rises and concession restrictions have crept in the last couple of seasons.

This is due to supply and demand but then the club risks pricing out the next generation of fans. That's why we had such great crowds even in League 1 as many of our supporters start going regularly at a young age and get hooked! Many fans go to the game not just for the footy but for the family/friends and social aspect of it all. Price them out and they'll go somewhere else and when times are shite then they won't be the ones filling the empty glory supporter seats.
 
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dancingradio said:
I mean I know you mean well but makes me laugh stating it reads like a good legal letter. Ofcourse it is its by a professional commercial legal team and Kyril has the familys legal and financial advisors on the board and at the end of the telephone. They will rip the council to bits quite easily without breaking sweat
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It's not like the good old days where they would have just had Maggie write it. 😂
 
Geppetto said:
It doesn't always get resolved mate. Generally the consultation pre planning resolves these issues before the planning application is submitted, not after.

I think the majority of people would be all for the plans providing they were not negatively affecting the club. I agree the recent and continued development of the City have been fantastic, but if this goes ahead without a buffer zone, people will quickly forget all the good work, it will be a disaster.

@James is it possible they could introduce a buffer as a condition to prevent limiting expansion?
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I've not looked into this in any detail, but I can't see why there would be any legitimate planning reason for officers to recommend refusal of the Sheepfolds proposal, it would be a very straightforward application to assess. The interests of Sunderland AFC aren't it any interest in that respect, especially since expansion plans are purely aspirational at this stage.

Given the political pressure that will now be on the decision however I'd be dumbfounded if a compromise wasn't found. It's quite embarrassing for the club and the council that they've even ended up in this situation. Bizarre.
 
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