PSR whinging

[riffraff]

This might be hubris, but I think the club is ran too well. We were promoted in profit. Most clubs in the championship operate at over 100% wage to turnover. Our wage budget was the 16th largest in the league. Our squad that got us up cost £16m, then we sold a player from that squad for double that.

It might look like we’re spending heavy but I truly believe within 3 years we’ll have sold two or three players that we’ve brought in this window, and the profit from those sale will pay off the rest of our business on the books for this summer.

Fans complaining about spending regulations have pretty short memories. There have been multiple premier league clubs in the past 25 years who’ve almost gone to the wall because they’ve aimed for the stars and missed.

SAFC twice frinstance.

 

[Select coaches]

Other clubs breaking into the top 4 isn’t an opinion it’s a fact.
Upthread you’ve stated that Utd, City, Chelsea and Liverpool can spend whatever they like. It’s a fact not an opinion that they can’t. You seem unwilling to acknowledge both of these facts which is undermining your other “opinions” on related matters.

When are Man City answering to their god knows how many charges?

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How are you ever going to compete with the above, we came into this league with a squad costing £18m or so.

The rules are not making the league more competitive, not sure how anyone can argue that they are.

 

[Georgewhitt]

Jokes aside I think the likes of diarra and sidiki will be sold next summer for profit and it’ll be a case of go again in the market.

Think Patto and either Neil or god forbid rigg will be sold before this window shuts. Academy lads are 100% profit. Psr does need tweaking like

They will only be sold if we have better already or in the pipeline.
I actually think we already have better.

Won't break my heart if we sell any or all of those 3 personally.

 

[Deleted member 7830]

They will only be sold if we have better already or in the pipeline.
I actually think we already have better.

Won't break my heart if we sell any or all of those 3 personally.

Don’t want to lose rigg like but agree with other two.
A lot of envious eyes on us this summer thinking we’re just been daft signing anyone we can get but it’s obvious to us that there’s a plan in place.

 

[Qwerty]

You're right like, but 3 years is a lifetime in terms of football transfers, it's 6 transfer windows. As a PL club there is plenty opportunity to spend that money.

True, where it would fall down is if we sold £200 worth of players but we're happy with the squad for 3 years but then couldn't spend on players despite having a big lumper in the bank.

 

[sima-hebburn]

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[Georgewhitt]

Don’t want to lose rigg like but agree with other two.
A lot of envious eyes on us this summer thinking we’re just been daft signing anyone we can get but it’s obvious to us that there’s a plan in place.

A lot of people likening us to Forest a couple of years ago.

I happen to think their approach was a bit scattergun, just buying volume, where we seem to be pinpointing players for specific roles.

And coming in to the Prem we were in a very stable place financially already.

Really happy at the minute.

 

[Flea Market Trader]

The truth of the matter is the Saudis shouldn’t be anywhere near a football club to sportswash and are only here as it benefits our government to use as leverage on the political landscape. I would also argue had another club been chosen by the Saudis instead of them then they would be all in favour of PSR. To the mags it isnt about sustainability and fairness in the game but rather they just want the rules changes or scrapped so they can buy world football domination.

 

[BILLY BUS PASS]

KLDs plan was always for a sustainably ran football club, there’s no way on earth he’s woken up the day after Wembley with premiere league boner done a couple of lines and said
“Fukk the plan ladds let’s spend spend spend”
This has all been thought out and always been the plan. When speakeasy said they had two plans in place one for promotion and one if we failed. He wasn’t lying.

 

[Redandwhitedust]

Jokes aside I think the likes of diarra and sidiki will be sold next summer for profit and it’ll be a case of go again in the market.

Think Patto and either Neil or god forbid rigg will be sold before this window shuts. Academy lads are 100% profit. Psr does need tweaking like

It needs tweaking. Its is heavily weighted towards the big boys of the league.

But it needs tweaking to level the playing field.

Ive supported sunderland almost 40 years. Were pretty much where we were the first time I went to Roker Park. Im ok with thw club selling players and reinvesting the money to make the club sustainable and (over time, hopefully... competitive).

What i fear is us imploding like so many other newly promoted clubs have...

 

[Iballistic George]

KLDs plan was always for a sustainably ran football club, there’s no way on earth he’s woken up the day after Wembley with premiere league boner done a couple of lines and said
“Fukk the plan ladds let’s spend spend spend”
This has all been thought out and always been the plan. When speakeasy said they had two plans in place one for promotion and one if we failed. He wasn’t lying.

He did say they had a plan for promotion and one if we stayed in the championship

 

[riffraff]

When are Man City answering to their god knows how many charges?

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How are you ever going to compete with the above, we came into this league with a squad costing £18m or so.

The rules are not making the league more competitive, not sure how anyone can argue that they are.

A/ I don’t know.

B/ With on and off field nous by building steadily over the coming seasons by buying well and selling well. Wanting to compete with all of City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Utd, Spurs etc on and off the pitch in our first season back in the PL is mag like deluded.

C/ The rules are to stop the mega clubs pull further away from the rest. Where were Spurs and Utd last season frinstance. There’ll never be a season where ALL the mega clubs fail spectacularly at the same time. They slightly failed when Leicester nipped in. Unlimited spending power wouldn’t have allowed that to happen.

They will only be sold if we have better already or in the pipeline.
I actually think we already have better.

Won't break my heart if we sell any or all of those 3 personally.

I’d like to keep a handful of local lads who at least are good enough to be squad members myself if possible.

 

[Georgewhitt]

It needs tweaking. Its is heavily weighted towards the big boys of the league.

But it needs tweaking to level the playing field.

Ive supported sunderland almost 40 years. Were pretty much where we were the first time I went to Roker Park. Im ok with thw club selling players and reinvesting the money to make the club sustainable and (over time, hopefully... competitive).

What i fear is us imploding like so many other newly promoted clubs have...

Understand your fears marra, but rightly or wrongly, I honestly believe we are being run with pin point attention to details, and there is a very strong grip on the financial side of things.

 

[SAFC11]

Isn't the psr changing to the European model shortly? Or did I imagine that.
The top teams are always going to have an advantage though, and removing psr wouldn't necessarily change that. Man United for example still have a greater pull than Newcastle, even without European football and lower wages offered. It's also there to in theory ensure our clubs dont go bust from over reaching.

 

[riffraff]

It needs tweaking. Its is heavily weighted towards the big boys of the league.

But it needs tweaking to level the playing field.

Ive supported sunderland almost 40 years. Were pretty much where we were the first time I went to Roker Park. Im ok with thw club selling players and reinvesting the money to make the club sustainable and (over time, hopefully... competitive).

What i fear is us imploding like so many other newly promoted clubs have...

We are basically where we were when I first went to Roker in the 68-69 season because we have been badly ran then for 90% of the time ever since. We now seem to have a plan. We never seemed to have one before.

 

[Georgewhitt]

A/ I don’t know.

B/ With on and off field nous by building steadily over the coming seasons by buying well and selling well. Wanting to compete with all of City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Utd, Spurs etc on and off the pitch in our first season back in the PL is mag like deluded.

C/ The rules are to stop the mega clubs pull further away from the rest. Where were Spurs and Utd last season frinstance. There’ll never be a season where ALL the mega clubs fail spectacularly at the same time. They slightly failed when Leicester nipped in. Unlimited spending power wouldn’t have allowed that to happen.

I’d like to keep a handful of local lads who at least are good enough to be squad members myself if possible.

I get your last point. It is really important IMO.

We need to maintain a group that lived through the difficult times, to connect the new lads with what it all means to the club, City and fans.

But in Ballard, Hume, Crkin, O'Nien, Roberts and even Wilson, we have that still.

I'm not too tied up in them having to be local lads myself.

 

[Deleted member 7830]

It needs tweaking. Its is heavily weighted towards the big boys of the league.

But it needs tweaking to level the playing field.

Ive supported sunderland almost 40 years. Were pretty much where we were the first time I went to Roker Park. Im ok with thw club selling players and reinvesting the money to make the club sustainable and (over time, hopefully... competitive).

What i fear is us imploding like so many other newly promoted clubs have...

Nah that’s just been a Sunderland fan. We are that used to dealing with shite such as incompetent board members, maggie Byrne taking a big old pay off then opening an agency and signing up all the promising youngins from the academy, Danny Graham signing not once but twice, kalvin davis, rodwell, David moyes, wilko, paying for Alvarez etc etc etc that when things are looking up we naturally wait for the next slap in the face.
This is the best this club has ever been ran.

 

[The Archer]

He did say they had a plan for promotion and one if we stayed in the championship

To be fair the club have just continued in the same style as they have for the last few seasons - getting in young players with a potentially high resale value but now adding a few more with experience.

It’s just the players we are now going for are several levels above the ones we’ve signed in the past.

 

[Redandwhitedust]

Understand your fears marra, but rightly or wrongly, I honestly believe we are being run with pin point attention to details, and there is a very strong grip on the financial side of things.

I worded that badly. It wasnt a reference to current ownership who seem to be playing the long game. It was more a statement that I dont expect big headline grabbing signings and a club spending beyond its means and I worry if we did wed collapse like others have. Im hoping were over those dark days

If we play the long game, we're in a good place. Because the bubble has to burst eventually, and the multimillion pound debts of the big clubs will catch up on some teams. Maybe not in my lifetime.... but it will happen

 

[Fireball07]

I hate them as much as the next man but this is just making the big clubs pull further and further away. It was supposed to level the playing field but it’s making it worse.

I get that and it's definitely not "fair" but a lot of clubs spent way beyond their means for short-term success and suffered long-term consequences; you can't spend money you don't have. Or when a rich owner gets disinterested and ups-and-leaves, that fucks over a club whereas at least now it's somewhat based on income (although these rules are being circumvented too).