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PSR whinging

columbo70 said:
On being promoted , it seems to me it doesnt bite you until year 3 ( I could be wrong)......if that is the case is, it not worth taking the hit of a points deduction in exchange for having a enhanced squad, that can stave off relegation in those precarious years.
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Forest broke the rule in their first year in the PL IIRC (22/23), receiving the points deduction the following season when it came to light (23/24). Even then they argued a player sale should have been taken into consideration when in reality it was either the period before or just after. Sounded like they had got their sums wrong.
 
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MustardAndOnions said:
I do disagree with it like tbh

Man Utd can spend another 200 million just becuase they are Man Utd? Have the worst season in ageneration, but nobody else is allowed.

I don't get it myself.

Its a free market.
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Man Utd can spend the money because they make the money. The football is irrelevant to brand utd. Noodle partners will still pay to have an affiliation with the club. The PSR moaners simply do not make enough money to spend at the rate they want. That is for their own good. Saudi are already focusing of domestic based sports. If they gave 11 players £500k a week contracts and then decided it wasn’t worth the outlay when they couldn’t topple city or Liverpool, where’s the money coming from if they turned the tap off?
 
Select coaches said:
I’m not talking about them, I hope they go bust. I’m talking about the league in general. The promoted teams get relegated, the top 4 rarely changes. If this continues the league is dead.

Top 4?
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Becos those just outside last years top 4 are ran well on the pitch but badly off it.
Villas frinstance old ground needs expanding and it’s hospitality too to bring mor cash in, their 90% apparently wages-turnover ratio is lunacy.
Spurs now bring in the most cash per match in the world game due to their new stadium. They’ll have to up their recruit value until they can truly splash the cash long term.
Brighton and Brentford are at their peak imho. Stadiums can’t be expanded but their recruitments been spot on.
Everton long term will be back up there if they learn to recruit well and pay the stadium off.
West Ham’s next owners will be in an ideal situation to push for the top 4 if they learn everyone else’s lessons.

Utd are the biggest club in England, Spurs have the highest earning stadium yet they were both laughing stocks last season. Owt can happen. It’ll nivver gan back to the pre 70s days when there were always 8-10 genuine title contenders preseason I’ll grant you that but the top 4 aren’t set in stone as you seem to be saying.

On and off field nous can still get half the clubs in the country into the top half of the PL then owt can happen. Look at where smaller clubs like Brighton, Bournemouth, Burnley, Fulham, and Brentford have been in the last 30yrs or so. If they can do it then Boro, Norwich, Ipswich, WBA, Cov, Sheff We’d, Sheff Utd, Charlton, Stoke, Blackburn, Bolton, Brum, QPR etc can anarl. The pictures not as bleak as you paint it.
 
1more said:
I actually don't even think the Saudi's have an appetite to buy success there anyway. They just don't seem massively interested in them, more of a passive interest.
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They've found it a lot easier to attract and retain elite players to their own league than I think anyone anticipated (with similar examples like the Chinese league or that oil club in Dagestan most of the players ran a mile after a few months). I'm not sure if it's taken them by surprise too, but it seems obvious now that building up that league is what they're prioritising over their franchise club in a far flung corner of England.
 
Qwerty said:
If it bites us in the arse in a few years time we'll be full of hell.
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Im not sure it will. Our squad is young, it seems hungry and over the season it will grow in ability, and some will attract attention from other clubs.

No mean feat, but sell at their prime, buy wisely and accept slow growth to an established PL club and push onwards.

Anyone ever heard a Brighton fan bemoan PSR? They were groundsharing not that long ago, and playing Pools and Darlo in my lifetime.

The only clubs bemoaning PSR are the ones spending beyond their means
 
If Newcastle fans are complaining they should be aiming it at their owners/board.

They could have easily spent spent their money sustainably, but they didn't. For example why did they need to spend €70m on Tonali when they already had Bruno and Joelinton? They had young players like Anderson and later Miley coming through and that €70m could have easily been 3 very promising players to develop and sell on, or they develop and then sell on some starters and continue the cycle but from a higher quality starting point.

Unfortunately they wanted to buy titles and cups rather than earn it. Too self absorbed in getting their big club ego scratched to even realise their new shiny car was a Ferrari with the engine of a Ford Mondeo.

And now they have to make themselves feel better by banging on about the "cartel" whilst realising they sold their sold for a Carabao Cup. Gimps.
 
Redandwhitedust said:
Im not sure it will. Our squad is young, it seems hungry and over the season it will grow in ability, and some will attract attention from other clubs.

No mean feat, but sell at their prime, buy wisely and accept slow growth to an established PL club and push onwards.

Anyone ever heard a Brighton fan bemoan PSR? They were groundsharing not that long ago, and playing Pools and Darlo in my lifetime.

The only clubs bemoaning PSR are the ones spending beyond their means
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One bad thing for Brighton is they can't spend the money they got for their big sales after 3 years. Even if they have £100s of millions in the bank.
 
MustardAndOnions said:
I do disagree with it like tbh

Man Utd can spend another 200 million just becuase they are Man Utd? Have the worst season in ageneration, but nobody else is allowed.

I don't get it myself.

Its a free market.


It is hard to call really like, I think the stadium stuff will reveal a lot.

I do think Howe is the one holding it all together like, he has done a very good job it has to be said.
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You're right about the stadium. The training ground is well out of date and they've done very little with that
 
Qwerty said:
One bad thing for Brighton is they can't spend the money they got for their big sales after 3 years. Even if they have £100s of millions in the bank.
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You're right like, but 3 years is a lifetime in terms of football transfers, it's 6 transfer windows. As a PL club there is plenty opportunity to spend that money.
 
Select coaches said:
Why are you so angry, I have a different opinion to you, you need to calm down a bit.
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Other clubs breaking into the top 4 isn’t an opinion it’s a fact.
Upthread you’ve stated that Utd, City, Chelsea and Liverpool can spend whatever they like. It’s a fact not an opinion that they can’t. You seem unwilling to acknowledge both of these facts which is undermining your other “opinions” on related matters.
 
1more said:
You're right about the stadium. The training ground is well out of date and they've done very little with that
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Yep very true
oldboy said:
Man Utd can spend the money because they make the money. The football is irrelevant to brand utd. Noodle partners will still pay to have an affiliation with the club. The PSR moaners simply do not make enough money to spend at the rate they want. That is for their own good. Saudi are already focusing of domestic based sports. If they gave 11 players £500k a week contracts and then decided it wasn’t worth the outlay when they couldn’t topple city or Liverpool, where’s the money coming from if they turned the tap off?
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You should be able to spend what you want like sorry.

So because Man Utd were good 20 years ago they can do what they want, but Sunderland can't?

Nope, not for me thanks.
 
Qwerty said:
One bad thing for Brighton is they can't spend the money they got for their big sales after 3 years. Even if they have £100s of millions in the bank.
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They can spend it. Just not on overinflated transfer fees. They can save it, invest in facilities and off field stuff, building a sustainable club.
Imagine what £20m could do in actual investment. £20m in facilities, recruitment, community engagement. That builds a long term sustainable club.
That £20m as a punt on a "rising star" from the Belgian or Czech league? Might pay off, might not.

PSR isnt perfect. It allows the big clubs too much power. Every year transfer fees soar way above what they should and sets a "new norm" For what a players value is.

It needs reigning in and fast, and thats what PSR should be doing. Levelling the field
 
Georgewhitt said:
Nah.

We'll have sold Wilson and Mayenda for £200mill each and bought a couple of £10mill kids who are better. 😁
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Jokes aside I think the likes of diarra and sidiki will be sold next summer for profit and it’ll be a case of go again in the market.

Think Patto and either Neil or god forbid rigg will be sold before this window shuts. Academy lads are 100% profit. Psr does need tweaking like
 
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