Jordan Henderson (signed for Brentford)

[shkatërrues]

Our manager really rates his work on the pitch and how he works with the other players. Very very complimentary of him
His season as captain was far better than O'Niens for example. We showed great spirit in a lot games last season.


I've said it before and I'll say it again, people talk absolute bollocks when it comes to the captaincy

Or we do have leaders and you're completely wrong?

i don't think im talking bollocks or that I'm wrong to be honest. i'm willing to admit that i might be wide of the mark but i don't think i am. just because my opinion isn't the same as yours doesn't mean its bollocks. just saying we have and then not backing that up doesn't make you right

I've actually got got a fair bit of experience in leadership in both work and sport but appreciate the context of premier league is quite different to my experience

 

[Rocky77]

i don't think im talking bollocks or that I'm wrong to be honest. i'm willing to admit that i might be wide of the mark but i don't think i am. just because my opinion isn't the same as yours doesn't mean its bollocks. just saying we have and then not backing that up doesn't make you right

I've actually got got a fair bit of experience in leadership in both work and sport but appreciate the context of premier league is quite different to my experience

I didn't say you were talking bollocks, I said people. You've took it upon yourself that I mean you.

However I still can't see how people could pick fault with Neil's captaincy but the season before not one person could find any fault with O'Niens. It makes absolutely zero sense. Last season we showed great spirit in a number of games and had the manager praising our captain for finding solution on the pitch.
The season before we finished 16th and for half a season showed zero character or spirit and were, to be polite, absolutely fkn pathetic.

 

[Mboma]

Neil isn’t a leader to me, he’s got no voice on the pitch or didn’t seem to. When ever we were getting shit housed and the ref fell for it, he was passive

MePham isn’t here any more

Browne won’t play. I don’t think he’ll leave and I do think he’s handy to have in and around but he’ll not be a leader

Expecting any of these young lads coming in to move country, no one around them to instantly lead is a big ask. Not saying they might not do it but it’s asking a lot


I do think he is, especially last year. Having a gaffer that sets a culture helps leaders lead

but again just strengthens my current argument we’ve got no real leaders especially if we think even Luke isn’t one

It doesn't matter what you think tho, it's what the club think. The whole group are strong and have faced a lot of challenges together, which has made them stronger. You're talking as if these lads havent played any pro football when they've had 2 promotions and 100's of games together. There'll be plenty of voices in the dressing room, they don't need Henderson to come in and start throwing his weight around.

 

[shkatërrues]

I didn't say you were talking bollocks, I said people. You've took it upon yourself that I mean you.

However I still can't see how people could pick fault with Neil's captaincy but the season before not one person could find any fault with O'Niens. It makes absolutely zero sense. Last season we showed great spirit in a number of games and had the manager praising our captain for finding solution on the pitch.
The season before we finished 16th and for half a season showed zero character or spirit and were, to be polite, absolutely fkn pathetic.

Ok I’ll take me tinfoil hat off and park the paranoia that you meant me

It’s different situations between those two seasons. O’Nien was leading a team that had no consistency, had no recognised strikers, had one manager that was fuckin useless and then another that was just their pal.

Neil had a settled team to work with and most importantly a gaffer that knows his stuff and is big on the psychology side as well as being meticulous in preparation and tactics

I’m not dismissing what you’re saying about the way Regis talked about Neil and he wasn’t a horrific captain by any means but he had a far easier job last year than Luke did the previous season

It doesn't matter what you think tho, it's what the club think. The whole group are strong and have faced a lot of challenges together, which has made them stronger. You're talking as if these lads havent played any pro football when they've had 2 promotions and 100's of games together. There'll be plenty of voices in the dressing room, they don't need Henderson to come in and start throwing his weight around.

I mean given this entire message board is about what we all think the first part of ya reply is a bit daft

Who says he’d come in and throw his weight around?

 

[brains]

I didn't say you were talking bollocks, I said people. You've took it upon yourself that I mean you.

However I still can't see how people could pick fault with Neil's captaincy but the season before not one person could find any fault with O'Niens. It makes absolutely zero sense. Last season we showed great spirit in a number of games and had the manager praising our captain for finding solution on the pitch.
The season before we finished 16th and for half a season showed zero character or spirit and were, to be polite, absolutely fkn pathetic.

Neil is just one of them players that divides opinion amongst our support. Not sure why as he's a consistent performer and captained our side to a play off win. Can only think of a couple of games last season where he was bad, the rest of the time he was pretty solid. Yes, he's not perfect, but barely any players are who are playing at the top of championship / bottom of PL. Players who never give the ball away and create on top of that are snapped up by all of the top clubs.

 

[Rocky77]

Ok I’ll take me tinfoil hat off and park the paranoia that you meant me

It’s different situations between those two seasons. O’Nien was leading a team that had no consistency, had no recognised strikers, had one manager that was fuckin useless and then another that was just their pal.

Neil had a settled team to work with and most importantly a gaffer that knows his stuff and is big on the psychology side as well as being meticulous in preparation and tactics

I’m not dismissing what you’re saying about the way Regis talked about Neil and he wasn’t a horrific captain by any means but he had a far easier job last year than Luke did the previous season


I mean given this entire message board is about what we all think the first part of ya reply is a bit daft

Who says he’d come in and throw his weight around?

Last season we showed great spirit in a lot of games and showed a real togetherness. Regarding having a gaffer who is meticulous in preparation and detail he had a captain who done his work on the pitch and praised him for it.



RLB on Dan Neil
"I think he did well during the first part of the season, but it wasn't so obvious for the observers maybe, because he was really important in adjusting all the behaviour of his teammates," explained Le Bris.

"He's very clever, very important to adjust the formation and balance the team"

I mean that's pretty strong praise and smacks of great captaincy

 

[The Beautiful Game]

Getting in the refs ear is the main one
JH would have loads of respect from the referees

We definitely don’t
I wouldn’t mind JH , but we can only think about getting him as he’s a Mackem.

Which other prem league players would you want ?
Ones that have been relegated?
We are odds on to go down. Premier league players won’t want to come here, and the value in them is so poor.
Overpriced.

We keep praising brighton and they've signed the likes of Lallana and Milner at ages even older than henderson. I think people are underplaying the value he'd add tbh, especially given we'll be without Diarra and Sadiki in December.

 

[Rocky77]

We keep praising brighton and they've signed the likes of Lallana and Milner at ages even older than henderson. I think people are underplaying the value he'd add tbh, especially given we'll be without Diarra and Sadiki in December.

I agree with this but I also trust Speakman et al as well.

 

[Mboma]

Ok I’ll take me tinfoil hat off and park the paranoia that you meant me

It’s different situations between those two seasons. O’Nien was leading a team that had no consistency, had no recognised strikers, had one manager that was fuckin useless and then another that was just their pal.

Neil had a settled team to work with and most importantly a gaffer that knows his stuff and is big on the psychology side as well as being meticulous in preparation and tactics

I’m not dismissing what you’re saying about the way Regis talked about Neil and he wasn’t a horrific captain by any means but he had a far easier job last year than Luke did the previous season


I mean given this entire message board is about what we all think the first part of ya reply is a bit daft

Who says he’d come in and throw his weight around?

Everyone who's wanting him seems to think he'll be able to bring these lads on when they've been through more character building seasons and promotions than any team talk Henderson is likely to give.

He's also been out of the PL for a number of years, stroking the ball about at teams who command the lions share of possession. He'll be ran off his tits in the PL with a team that's just gained promotion.

 

[shkatërrues]

Everyone who's wanting him seems to think he'll be able to bring these lads on when they've been through more character building seasons and promotions than any team talk Henderson is likely to give.

He's also been out of the PL for a number of years, stroking the ball about at teams who command the lions share of possession. He'll be ran off his tits in the PL with a team that's just gained promotion.

He’s played fuckin world cups and won champions leagues man. To suggest he would have nothing to offer these lads is insane to me

Last season we showed great spirit in a lot of games and showed a real togetherness. Regarding having a gaffer who is meticulous in preparation and detail he had a captain who done his work on the pitch and praised him for it.



RLB on Dan Neil
"I think he did well during the first part of the season, but it wasn't so obvious for the observers maybe, because he was really important in adjusting all the behaviour of his teammates," explained Le Bris.

"He's very clever, very important to adjust the formation and balance the team"

I mean that's pretty strong praise and smacks of great captaincy

Fair one Regis is going to have insights that we don’t from the stands. There’s probably a lot we don’t know

He’s hardly going to say he was fuckin shite though is he

 

[Captain White]

Are they lessons to learnt from Defoe's return?

 

[joop]

Are they lessons to learnt from Defoe's return?

Don’t sign Defoe again?

 

[Rocky77]

He’s played fuckin world cups and won champions leagues man. To suggest he would have nothing to offer these lads is insane to me


Fair one Regis is going to have insights that we don’t from the stands. There’s probably a lot we don’t know

He’s hardly going to say he was fuckin shite though is he

There it is. Can't have any praise. Lads on a hiding to nothing

 

[Mboma]

He’s played fuckin world cups and won champions leagues man. To suggest he would have nothing to offer these lads is insane to me


Fair one Regis is going to have insights that we don’t from the stands. There’s probably a lot we don’t know

He’s hardly going to say he was fuckin shite though is he

We're not playing in world cups or champions leagues tho, and that was f#cking years ago! What real benefit is that going to give us when we're scraping to stay up? Henderson himself is a complete novice in that situation. Telling the lads what Mo Salah did with the ball when were 2 gaols down ain't going to make a blind bit of difference.

He'd be alright as a squad player, but to think he'll be able to lead on the pitch for a relegation favorite when he's not been in the PL for 2/3 seasons doesn't seem realistic to me.

There was some of the same folk having a go at Burnley for signing an over the hill Walker, yet because this lad is from Sunderland, he can just walk straight into the first team and be mint

It seems the club aren't fussed on him, and are looking to the future, and that's fine by me.

 

[shkatërrues]

There it is. Can't have any praise. Lads on a hiding to nothing

Not what I’ve said though is it you’ve got you’re own agenda and you’re going to interpret what I say to fit

We're not playing in world cups or champions leagues tho, and that was f#cking years ago! What real benefit is that going to give us when we're scraping to stay up? Henderson himself is a complete novice in that situation. Telling the lads what Mo Salah did with the ball when were 2 gaols down ain't going to make a blind bit of difference.

He'd be alright as a squad player, but to think he'll be able to lead on the pitch for a relegation favorite when he's not been in the PL for 2/3 seasons doesn't seem realistic to me.

There was some of the same folk having a go at Burnley for signing an over the hill Walker, yet because this lad is from Sunderland, he can just walk straight into the first team and be mint

It seems the club aren't fussed on him, and are looking to the future, and that's fine by me.

Learning from a winner can help in every situation? Yeah Henderson might not have had that exact experience but knowing what mo salah tried to do and perhaps using that can only be a good thing

I think Walker adds experience to Burnley too to be fair. Having someone who’s been there and done that and when the going gets tough isn’t flapping to look too can do wonders for everyone.

 

[Mboma]

Not what I’ve said though is it you’ve got you’re own agenda and you’re going to interpret what I say to fit


Learning from a winner can help in every situation? Yeah Henderson might not have had that exact experience but knowing what mo salah tried to do and perhaps using that can only be a good thing

I think Walker adds experience to Burnley too to be fair. Having someone who’s been there and done that and when the going gets tough isn’t flapping to look too can do wonders for everyone.

As I've said many posts back, I'd have Henderson as a squad player for his experience, I'm not discounting it completely, but when I see posts saying "Signing Henderson would be the difference between going down and staying up" then I've got to say something.

He's getting on and we're signing talented CM's for 35m and 20m. I'm sure that the club will have reached out and seen what kind of a deal he would consider, but for whatever reason, the club have thought its a no go. That might change as the window goes on.

Personally, I'm not fussed. I don't see him as being a vital cog in our survival. I'm far happier that we're signing the likes of Diarra when bigger clubs were sniffing and he's chosen to come to us over them.

 

[Northumberland Rocks]

He’s played fuckin world cups and won champions leagues man. To suggest he would have nothing to offer these lads is insane to me


Fair one Regis is going to have insights that we don’t from the stands. There’s probably a lot we don’t know

He’s hardly going to say he was fuckin shite though is he

For all our signings with Speakman and RLB they haven’t got any or very little premier league experience or nous.

We have a local lad who has captained a team to the premier league and European champions league who is keen to rejoin his home town club.

If we don’t go for JH it’s a massive mistake imho and one that can undo all the good work that’s been done.

If it’s Speakmans decision I would love to hear his rationale.

As I've said many posts back, I'd have Henderson as a squad player for his experience, I'm not discounting it completely, but when I see posts saying "Signing Henderson would be the difference between going down and staying up" then I've got to say something.

He's getting on and we're signing talented CM's for 35m and 20m. I'm sure that the club will have reached out and seen what kind of a deal he would consider, but for whatever reason, the club have thought its a no go. That might change as the window goes on.

Personally, I'm not fussed. I don't see him as being a vital cog in our survival. I'm far happier that we're signing the likes of Diarra when bigger clubs were sniffing and he's chosen to come to us over them.

Let’s see what your view is if we get off to a poor start.

 

[Father Larry Duff]

He’s 35. His legs were going towards the end of his time at Liverpool and how many years ago was that. He isn’t coming back. There’s been no contact at all and I know that for a fact. People need to look to the future and forget about signing former players who’s best days are behind them.

 

[Northumberland Rocks]

Onien, Neil, Mepham, Browne, and Hume all looked to have a say on the pitch as well as off it. Diarra was captaining his side before coming here, the others coming in have a fair amount of European experience.

This whole bring Hendo in to babysit the young'uns is pretty much bollocks anyway. What's he going to do if we're 18th in the league and 3 nowt down at half time with our backs to the wall, tell the lads how he won the Champions League with Liverpool?...he's basically had none of that kind of experience in the PL since he left us as a kid himself!....he may need someone to hold his hand when he has to play for a side that doesn't have the best players or the lions share of possession.

How many of that group have top class premier league experience?

Not knocking the lads but how many?

 

[viccarlton]

Has anyone got any idea why Liverpool let Henderson go for his dalliance with the Saudi League, only for him to end up at Ajax, who have then released him from his contract a year early?