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Eng vs India - First Test - 20th-24th June

rentaghost said:
More importantly for me isn''t necessarily the 'changing the face of test cricket' stuff. We haven't. However playing at a fast tempo, taking the game to the bowlers, trying to upset their lines etc suits the players we have in English cricket at the moment. We don't have many great technicians but we have very good attacking batsmen. We are just playing to our strengths and a way in which we think gives us the best chance of winning. We scored the neck end of 500 runs without our one brilliant technician contributing. I doubt we would have done playing more conventionally.
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Well exactly, I think we may lose this series as my belief as in the Ashes is that player for player India and Australia have better test players on paper than us, but this regime imo undoubtedly gets the best out of the abilities we have.

We drew 2 2 against a better side in the Ashes and India are a better side than us imo.

But playing this way suits our players and gives us more of a fighting chance.

I do genuinely think though that is the most watchable and entertaining test cricket has ever been in this country.

What this regime does is make players, feel trusted, comfortable and allowed to flourish.

It’s a philosophy I strongly believe in, that in any workplace you get more out of people by believing in them and trusting them.

Rather than them constantly feeling under pressure and scared to try things or frightened for their place.

They is every chance we could lose today, but this team will ‘ risk losing to win’

I am more than happy with that approach!
 
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Jasper said:
Exactly. A draw when bowling first on a batting pitch in one of the games Bumrah is playing is a good result.
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Bowling first on a good batting pitch is what we do to give us the best chance of winning games. Its also what India would have done. If we had taken some quite regulation catches we would be in a place to win the game quite comfortably. I agree though now a draw would be a good result.
 
Voice of fair play said:
Well exactly, I think we may lose this series as my belief as in the Ashes is that player for player India and Australia have better test players on paper than us, but this regime imo undoubtedly gets the best out of the abilities we have.

We drew 2 2 against a better side in the Ashes and India are a better side than us imo.

But playing this way suits our players and gives us more of a fighting chance.

I do genuinely think though that is the most watchable and entertaining test cricket has ever been in this country.

What this regime does is make players, feel trusted, comfortable and allowed to flourish.

It’s a philosophy I strongly believe in, that in any workplace you get more out of people by believing in them and trusting them.

Rather than them constantly feeling under pressure and scared to try things or frightened for their place.

They is every chance we could lose today, but this team will ‘ risk losing to win’

I am more than happy with that approach!
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I'm sort of 80% with you. India at home is a series we should look to win expecially without Rohit, Kohli, Ashwin. they have the number one bowler in the world but in English conditions we match up with them player for player imo. I don't think Stokes and Co will be remotely happy if we lose this series and I also think it would put the approach under scrutiny if we did.
 
rentaghost said:
I'm sort of 80% with you. India at home is a series we should look to win expecially without Rohit, Kohli, Ashwin. they have the number one bowler in the world but in English conditions we match up with them player for player imo. I don't think Stokes and Co will be remotely happy if we lose this series and I also think it would put the approach under scrutiny if we did.
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What I think is the depth in Indian cricket batting wise at the moment is immense, with respect to Bashir, Kuldeep twice the bowler he is and can’t get in the side.

They have batsman after batsman coming of the treadmill, their weakness is their pace attack without Burmah.
 
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Should have to play the last day only allowed to touch the ball with parts of the body that aren't fingers and don't have fingers attached imo.
Voice of fair play said:
What I think is the depth in Indian cricket at the moment is immense, with respect to Bashir, Kuldeep twice the bowler he is and can’t get in the side.

They have batsman after batsman coming of the treadmill, their weakness is their pace attack without Burmah.
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They've probably got 4 spinners better than Bashir with respect.
 
Unless people are looking elsewhere forecasts I'm seeing say more chance of no rain each hour, and with sunny spells.

Mind, even a full day I'd not expect us to win.
 
Sea to Shining Sea said:
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This is the type of talk that I think Rob Key was agitated by.

Because there are plenty of scenarios in which a draw is a good result for England. Surely the players can be positive and say they’re approaching the game to win it but just leave it at that? This is just silly talk
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Bit clickbait and leading question by whoever asked it. Trying to spin the narrative of they don't give a fuck if they lose.

If you read his full answer it's not what he says. He says he hopes were not in the position to be thinking about the draw.

I'd fully agree with that. If it does turn sour and we lose a flurry I hope our middle order drops anchor.
 
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mackembhoy said:
Bit clickbait and leading question by whoever asked it. Trying to spin the narrative of they don't give a fuck if they lose.

If you read his full answer it's not what he says. He says he hopes were not in the position to be thinking about the draw.

I'd fully agree with that. If it does turn sour and we lose a flurry I hope our middle order drops anchor.
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He still could have answered it with a bit more savvy. He also went on to say we could chase down anything.

It’s just a bit OTT for me
 
Jasper said:
Exactly. A draw when bowling first on a batting pitch in one of the games Bumrah is playing is a good result.
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I’m dubious about this idea he’s only playing three games anyway. If the Series is in the balance he’ll play more.
Voice of fair play said:
Well exactly, I think we may lose this series as my belief as in the Ashes is that player for player India and Australia have better test players on paper than us, but this regime imo undoubtedly gets the best out of the abilities we have.
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Which Indian players are you having over ours?

Aside from Bumrah, obviously.
 
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Raymondo said:
I’m dubious about this idea he’s only playing three games anyway. If the Series is in the balance he’ll play more.


Which Indian players are you having over ours?

Aside from Bumrah, obviously.
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Rahul instead of Crawley Jaswal (although tight with him over Duckett) then Gill over Pope Pant over Smith, Kuldeep, over Bashir and even possibly Siraj, so along with Burmah the majority over ours.

Plus I think they have more depth in terms of batting replacements and definitely in terms of spinning replacements.
 
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