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Eng vs India - First Test - 20th-24th June

Safc98 said:
I said since 2019. Which includes the 1 in 17. Take 2022 out of it and the rest is poor on the whole.
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Not sure it is mind as still winning at least half the tests and only really struggled in Asia during that time where wickets massively favored spin, so don’t think it can be described as shit or poor, during that time, but agree to disagree mate.

Going forward however worried as attack now not just poor at spin poor all round which big concern
Provider said:
Yep. It had been a worry for some time with the impending retirements of Jimmy and Broad as to who the long term replacements would be and it's really hitting home now. And it's only been compounded by the injuries.

I do also think that we haven't helped ourselves either when looking at replacements. Matthew Fisher, 1 test; Saqib Mahmood, 2 tests; Jamie Overton 1 test; Josh Hull 1 test; Sam Cook 1 test. What are they really going to prove in such a limited amount of games?
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Yeah there is certainly an argument about the game time, but think genuinely that a moot point.

As the main issue for me is the quality mainly the lack of it

Been saying for a while spin options really poor and stand by that, but our pace attack got us out of situations and covered lack of spin quality up.

Now both pace and spin attack lack quality massive concern
 
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Voice of fair play said:
Not sure it is mind as still winning at least half the tests and only really struggled in Asia during that time where wickets massively favored spin, so don’t think it can be described as shit or poor, during that time, but agree to disagree mate.

Going forward however worried as attack now not just poor at spin poor all round which big concern

Yeah there is certainly an argument about the game time, but think genuinely that a moot point.

As the main issue for me is the quality mainly the lack of it

Been saying for a while spin options really poor and stand by that, but our pace attack got us out of situations and covered lack of spin quality up.

Now both pace and spin attack lack quality massive concern
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I didn't rate Carse until the India tour, think he's one of the better bowlers of the lads. He can be a handful.
 
Provider said:
Yep. It had been a worry for some time with the impending retirements of Jimmy and Broad as to who the long term replacements would be and it's really hitting home now. And it's only been compounded by the injuries.

I do also think that we haven't helped ourselves either when looking at replacements. Matthew Fisher, 1 test; Saqib Mahmood, 2 tests; Jamie Overton 1 test; Josh Hull 1 test; Sam Cook 1 test. What are they really going to prove in such a limited amount of games?
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I think that’s a little selective.

Fisher, Mahmood and Overton have largely been injured, and Hull was a complete punt (and now injured)

You’ve ignored Woakes, Atkinson, Curran, Robinson, Potts etc
 
mackembhoy said:
Aye cos these all go off the data about how chasing is easier here and pitch unlikely to get any harder to bat on.

Rather than using their eyes that it was a perfect batting day and that wickets would be hard to get.

Not really sure how offering up the Indian side the ability to score 400+ and put us under pressure in the first test of 5 was a good idea.

I know Durham won a game from a similar position this season. But I don't have any confidence in England bowling attack.

But when did we last play at Headingley with weather like we had yesterday and all this week.

They got too into data instead of using common sense.
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Yeah too much looking at data and stats than seeing what right in front of them, one of the hottest June days Leeds has probably seen in years would have been yesterday and today and we had the opportunity to bat on them days but gave them to opportunity to do so.
 
Ghfd said:
Not watching currently but an alert saying 150 partnership up

A longggg day ahead
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Was about to post the same thing.
Stokes is going to have to manage his workload, tbf all the seamers need to be managed
Woakes on the back off long injury
Carse on the back of foot injury
Tongue on the back of 2 years Injured.

Reckon Root and Brook will be getting a bowl today.
 
scotch said:
Was about to post the same thing.
Stokes is going to have to manage his workload, tbf all the seamers need to be managed
Woakes on the back off long injury
Carse on the back of foot injury
Tongue on the back of 2 years Injured.

Reckon Root and Brook will be getting a bowl today.
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Surprised Joseph didn't turn his arm over yesterday.

like Athers just said Bash bowled well yesterday considering the conditions and being behind the 8 ball.
 
The Breen Machine said:
I think they like to be too funky and cool in their eyes, they'll do things differently almost for the sake of it.
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It's just overly complacent amd aggressive, like the declaration in the Ashes first test. We're going to pick 90mph bowlers and bowl first because that will really scare them. No it won't, they face Bumrah in the nets and Brydon and Tongue are not on his level. What we know Indians can't handle is the ball moving sideways.
 
VenisonsMullet said:
There was absolutely nowt happening out there today. Was evident after about 20 mins that it was the wrong decision. Stokes was the only one who looked threatening. This must be the weakest attack we’ve fielded in a long time…
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I totally agree with the second bit. But I think the first bit is wrong. Even with the weakest attack we’ve fielded in a long time Woakes and Carse looked difficult to play in their first spells and Stokes got it going in his. That little bit of first day life certainly baked out more quickly than it usually does at Headingley, but I think it was there. Counterfactuals are always speculation, but I wouldn’t have put it past Bumrah having Duckett, Crawley and Pope back in the hutch by drinks, and then we’d probably be all out by now trying to Bazball our way out of it.

Focusing on the toss lets the poor bowling off the hook. And can only ever be post hoc ergo propter hoc anyway. We can’t know it was wrong. We can know the bowling attack was shite.
 
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