Obviously when Franklin was here it was a no risk policy with the mentality 8 points for a draw we'll get promotion with a lot of draws. Apart from our early years as 1st class when even draws were an achievment captaincy such as Benks and Colly were positive in taking sensible measured risks with their declarations. I'll settle for that while accepting that we're in a development stage with our bowling attack.
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CC : Durham v Warwickshire
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MustardAndOnions
Winger
This is also a fair point
Bri
Striker
He was fit, and for the second we'll never know,
At the time I commented that I thought the sporting declaration was a little too sporting. I doesn't mean I don't like sporting declarations.
Picking up another point, I do think an ask of 340 (was it), is a good totalin most cases, and in a large percentages of them it wouldn't be chased down. However, I didn't think it was as balanced as all that, because I'd seen the play from the previous days, and it sounds like Lees/Campbell had pretty much planned in advance when to declare in advance.
The Riv isn't the pitch that it was, Durham have defended quite a lot of low totals there, but now the pitch is flat and batsmen friendly. We needed a spinner.
However, I do support the attacking intent of Campbell, and Stokes for that matter. In this case it's all a matter of degrees and margins that tip on one side or the other and as such I'm certainly not condemning anyone.
MustardAndOnions
Winger
The Breen Machine
Striker
What's wrong with drawing games these days? 
Sillypoint
Central Defender
absolutely this, id rather lose like that than a draw be seen a mile off with nearly 2 days to spare
GordonMuchallNo1Fan
Striker
Yup. Those Franklin days my god some of the very worst I've had to sit through and endure. I love a positive mindset and I'll back this team every single time with this approach in trying to win a game and dare I say entertain the crowd. Yes we lost this one but overall this new intent under Campbell has served us well and I hope we continue to be like that. Few bad decisions during day 4 but I'll never criticise this lot for trying to push for a win.
Sillypoint
Central Defender
8 points for a draw is arguably too much, as it will deter teams from doing it, if you want to make 4 day cricket more exciting batting points should be awarded for Run Rates not runs scored, even a point for a Declaration if your trying to force a result,
The Red Telephone
Striker
Wrong thread
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Bri
Striker
Of the first, yea I knew, I didn't mean to imply he hadn't, just that it's not knowable how the alternative future would have played out - no doubt it would have been better for Durham tho.
Of the second, yes, we should have, ordinarily we would have.
Fine margins.
MustardAndOnions
Winger
Wrong thread
Voice of fair play
Striker
Great point, I have always been of the opinion that the points system should be weighted as much as possible to win to encourage teams to take risks to go for a win
Limitations on the number of 1st innings overs is the easiest way to achieve positive results. It is still possible to have exciting draws,however, which Campbell and many on here don't appear to accept.
Voice of fair play
Striker
I think a draw has its place in the game and there has been the some exciting draws in the past but not that many imo, I genuinely think draws should only be considered on occasions when your backs against the wall and you can’t win or when you have exhausted every opportunity to win the game, or in final games of seasons when you maybe clear at top of leagues.
Nothing worse imo than a red ball game on a flat pitch where both teams just pile on the runs don’t declare and just doesn’t even look like getting a win for either side.
I have always thought that and do so even more with the extra competition for viewers due to increased white ball game.
I can’t see how draws where neither side makes a effort to force a result is either interesting for current viewers of red ball cricket and certainly not for potential new ones.
It also gets me right on my soap box when captains bat on and don’t declare to allow players to reach personal milestones like a hundred.
Don’t agree with that the team should come first, last and every time
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Most boring draws are the result of the team batting first and occupying the crease for best part of 2 days amassing a huge total leaving the team batting 2nd little option but to occupy the crease for the remainder of the game playing for the draw. Restrictions on the 1st innings would prevent this and result in far less draws. New ball after fewer overs,perhaps 65,would be an alternate solution.Bring in either of these amendments would result in far less draws.
Defending to save a game after a run chase has faltered can be enthralling,which is why I find Campbell's "I hate draws" somewhat naive.
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MustardAndOnions
Winger
I do like, nout wrong with a draw at all, just dont think that can be accused at the last game personally
I am not totally on board with the win or lose idea like, if you cant win, dont get beat.
I reckon some of the best games of crickets I have ever seen have been draws like.
Voice of fair play
Striker
Yeah I agree, same here but not that many, good exciting draws are the exception imo, been many many more games over the years where you suspected due to the wicket and conditions it was going to be draw on the first day and that not good for red ball cricket!!
Like I say draws have a place in red cricket after a win is your heavily weighted first priority and you have exhausted every opportunity to win or can’t win.
Team has to come first seen too many games for my liking where a captain has waited before an individual reaches a personal milestone before declaring think that totally wrong.
Well that’s it ‘ I agree defending to save the game after a run chase has faltered is and can be good.
But too many games for my liking where games have been draws not because the run chase has faltered but because the run chase has not been even attempted from ball one.
I know I have mentioned this before but when England played New Zealand a few years ago and needed 277 over 70 odd overs to win they did not attempt it from ball one!
Had Sibley 60 not out and iirc finished over 100 short for the loss of only 3/4 wickets.
I found that nothing short of a disgrace!
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Steak Pie
Striker
Aah, another step in the T20facation of cricket.
There is already a limit on the amount of overs you can take to score your runs. If you make it pure run rate you're just encouraging teams to be reckless.
Try telling the lads on a cloudy day at Headingly that they have to score at 4 an over. You might as well tell them to play with their eyes closed.
I don't think refusing a run chase from the off happens very often.Generally teams consolidate initially then reassess, generally at the tea interval. Both setting a realistic target and timing the run chase are quite skillful tasks.Both players and spectators have differing views on what is realistic. As do you and I, I suspect.
Of course that New Zealand fiasco was pathetic but England were pretty poor at the time,weren't as united as a team or as well lead as they are now.I felt sorry for Root,nice guys don't make good captains, and you don't refuse a captain of your country offer.
