niallquinnsdisco
Midfield
If way too much is made of captaincy then o'nien wasn't the reason we finished 16th last season Shirley
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Dan Neil
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Rocky77
Winger
Agreed. The captaincy wasn't a problem then. Leaderless everywhere and 16th, now we're 4th and having a decent season it is a problem. Why?
Well if a few players can't get in then that would suggest we do have a strongest side
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I can understand that logic however he doesn't get in our strongest side
I know you didn'tyou said you didn't want to change ..i said I didn't want it changing
That's why O'Nien is club captain. I don't see the big problem with Neil's captaincy tbh. Yes he's still learning and growing into the role but I didn't see what difference Browne (who doesn't get in our strongest 11 anyway), Mepham or O'Nien would make
You don't see it as a problem, whislt I think its probably put added pressure on the lad. Just leave the f#cker at that.
Perryqhill
Striker
The only way I'd want to sell is if he's not signing a new deal. Players like Jobe will come and go using the club in their development, but we need to retain a few homegrown players like Neil so we're starting the next season with a decent base.
The captaincy is absolute bollocks.
Keep hearing people harp back to players like Kevin Ball forgetting several seasons when we were struggling to stay up in old Divison One.
You need a few leaders in the side and good players around them to do well.
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Rocky77
Winger
Ok
Still haven't answered a pretty basic question and managed to get your knickers in a twist in the meantime
rentaghost
Striker
Surely the person who shows most leadership isn't going to bring anything extra to the team having a band around their arm. They lead anyway - ONien does, Mepham does. If the captaincy can bring more out of a plyer then its serves it purpose. I think it has with Neil, others will disagree.
I'll be one of those who disagrees then. Just give the armband to one the strongest leaders like its pretty much been since day one. I don't think the wheel needs to be reinvented.
I don't think in giving Neil the armband it's progressed his game to a level higher than it would have been without it. He's a good player and I'm not saying anything nasty about the lad so there's no need for folk to get so defensive, he'd just be probably 4th choice in my book when it comes to Captain material.
Arfa Sleep
Striker
I've highlighted a couple of interesting points, how do we know Dan Neil isn't one of the strongest leaders and I guess that also brings in the second part I've highlighted.
I'm assuming here that you don't interact with the squad on a daily basis or know Neil on a personal level, leaders take many forms they don't have to be screaming.
Nailed it , the simple explanation is :
We won again , the moaners need something else to satisfy their need .
SAFC 2012
Striker
Everything was beales fault
Coeus
Striker
nessen
Striker
The unfortunate thing for Samed is that his mistakes were punished to the max. If we step back and discount those, the rest has be fine. It is a shame he's not been fit enough to build himself into the team and that he was brought in during a time the team were throwing points away.
Rocky77
Winger
Then Doddsys, now he's a huge miss iirc
He's not a strong leader on the the pitch as you can see that with your own eyes and that's when he's got the armband.
As I've already said, it's my personal opinion. I've not claimed to be an insider and some folk are getting way too precious about my opinion on why he's been up and down this season whilst being given the armband.
It's not even noteworthy stuff to go back and forth about, but again, some get way too defensive on here. It'll not be long before I get an insult (if it's not happened already) because someone can't handle a difference of opinion.
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chriswallace85
Striker
Looked like a soppy little school kid ready to take his ball home on Saturday when a few other senior players were having a go at him.
Even turned to Regis at one point as if to say "but Sirrrrrrr they're not listening to me."
My opinion is there were 2 reasons as to why he was given the armband:
1, He's a local lad and we all love that kind of thing. It's a great story.
2, It was given in the hope of swaying him into signing a new contract, which it doesn't look like it has as he's still holding out to see if we go up or not, which is absolutely fair on the lad and I've no problem with.
As I've said, I think he's a good footballer, just not a captain. I don't get the idea of 2 or 3 captains anyway. Surely the match captain and club captain should be the same. I really don't see Dan leading on the pitch like other players do, and I don't see him being the one players going to see if they have any problems.
Anyway, that's my point of view and it's all I've got to say on it. I'll not be adding anything more due to folk crying at me picking on the lad
chriswallace85
Striker
Number 2 seemed the most obvious reason to me. It's exactly what we did with George Honeyman (fuck knows why mind).My opinion is there were 2 reasons as to why he was given the armband:
1, He's a local lad and we all love that kind of thing. It's a great story.
2, It was given in the hope of swaying him into signing a new contract, which it doesn't look like it has as he's still holding out to see if we go up or not, which is absolutely fair on the lad and I've no problem with.
As I've said, I think he's a good footballer, just not a captain. I don't get the idea of 2 or 3 captains anyway. Surely the match captain and club captain should be the same. I really don't see Dan leading on the pitch like other players do, and I don't see him being the one players going to see if they have any problems.
Anyway, that's my point of view and it's all I've got to say on it. I'll not be adding anything more due to folk crying at me picking on the lad
I'm not overly arsed about him being captain on the pitch. My main gripe was the captaincy making him almost undroppable - again much like George Honeyman.
That said, given the team's form over the course of the full season and the options available to us, I don't think there's been much argument to drop Neil regardless of the armband.
Aye, It did give me Honeyman vibes although I think Dan is a much better player.
It would have been interesting to see what Regis would have done with Samed if he was fit at the start of the season, given the lads CV, I'm sure many would have thought he could have started ahead of Neil and that could have led to a wider rotation of the midfield, but it hasn't worked out and the 3 have been flogged with little rest or time taken out when they've been out of form, which is the bigger problem over the captaincy for sure.
