The Hundred 2025

[Voice of fair play]

The 16.4 has utterly failed commercially, literally taking the game from a profitable position to the verge of bankruptcy. The sheer volume of cash that has been thrown at it, tens of millions every year, and still more people watch the Blast.

Now we have an £800m (?) injection of funds from foreign investors who will expect a return on their cash. And to help them we've agreed to pause both domestic and international cricket while it's on.

So we've sold the peak window for our domestic cricket to foreigners. Forever. And in return, they're going to extract money OUT of the sport.

It's vomit inducing.

*TV figures I dunno, I would guess the 16.4 would be higher seeing as 1) it's actually on telly and 2) the sheer amount if marketing.

Your logic makes no sense , 800 million I repeat 800 million!!!

Is a brilliant amount to be investment into English cricket.

Of course investors want something back for their investment.

Based of your logic we would never want investment in anything because investors want something back.

And where would any sport be without some investment of some sort.

This has raised close to a billion pound and you making a negative of it!!

 

[Steak Pie]

Your logic makes no sense , 800 million I repeat 800 million!!!

Is a brilliant amount to be investment into English cricket.

Of course investors want something back for their investment.

Based of your logic we would never want investment in anything because investors want something back.

And where would any sport be without some investment of some sort.

This has raised close to a billion pound and you making a negative of it!!

If refer you to the previous reply on this subject.

£800m in, countless billions out. And no other cricket during peak window.

For eternity.

 

[Voice of fair play]

If refer you to the previous reply on this subject.

£800m in, countless billions out. And no other cricket during peak window.

For eternity.

We just going round in circles, 800 million created for English cricket.

Counties even non hundred counties receiving between 20 to 25 million and recreational cricket countless millions as well.

It’s a once a generation cash amount to help them.

For in return of having a month out of the domestic season for a franchise competition that every other top cricketing nation has anyway and that was an absolute inevitably and was always going to happen at some stage.

There have played a masterstroke to get the amount of money they have for a competition that was created from nothing and I keep hearing nobody likes.

Nearly 1 billion for that, what an achievement

 

[Steak Pie]

We just going round in circles, 800 million created for English cricket.

Counties even non hundred counties receiving between 20 to 25 million and recreational cricket countless millions as well.

It’s a once a generation cash amount to help them.

For in return of having a month out of the domestic season for a franchise competition that every other top cricketing nation has anyway and that was an absolute inevitably and was always going to happen at some stage.

There have played a masterstroke to get the amount of money they have for a competition that was created from nothing and I keep hearing nobody likes.

Nearly 1 billion for that, what an achievement

Not once in a generation, it's once in an eternity.

You can only sell the crown jewels once, and now they're gone. Forever.

As you previously agreed, this will cost the sport more than it brings in.

You couldn't be bending over any further and spreading any wider if you tried.

 

[Parkside]

Not once in a generation, it's once in an eternity.

You can only sell the crown jewels once, and now they're gone. Forever.

As you previously agreed, this will cost the sport more than it brings in.

You couldn't be bending over any further and spreading any wider if you tried.

Totally agree.
£20-25million as a once off for each of the non-hundred venue counties. Value this against the loss for ever of the main source of income from tv revenue which will now be contracted to the Hundred franchises. Each county will now lose the annual £3million+ which ECB distributed from that tv revenue.
That TV package was worth £1 billion+ which has been sacrificed for a Once off less than that. These Franchise moguls are hardened businessmen-they're clearly confident of taking more out than they put in.
Extremely naive to believe e.g. Voice of fair play that this sale comes without very punitive consequences.

Your logic makes no sense , 800 million I repeat 800 million!!!

Is a brilliant amount to be investment into English cricket.

Of course investors want something back for their investment.

Based of your logic we would never want investment in anything because investors want something back.

And where would any sport be without some investment of some sort.

This has raised close to a billion pound and you making a negative of it!!

Are you seriously suggesting that investors don't invest with the believe that they'll get out more than they put in? They're just some charitable benefactors?

 

[Voice of fair play]

Totally agree.
£20-25million as a once off for each of the non-hundred venue counties. Value this against the loss for ever of the main source of income from tv revenue which will now be contracted to the Hundred franchises. Each county will now lose the annual £3million+ which ECB distributed from that tv revenue.
That TV package was worth £1 billion+ which has been sacrificed for a Once off less than that. These Franchise moguls are hardened businessmen-they're clearly confident of taking more out than they put in.
Extremely naive to believe e.g. Voice of fair play that this sale comes without very punitive consequences.

Are you seriously suggesting that investors don't invest with the believe that they'll get out more than they put in? They're just some charitable benefactors?

Of course investors want something out of it that’s how investment works???

It’s not a logic argument, it if was nobody would want investment in anything.

You basically saying lets not have investment in anything ever again as investors will want sometime back!!

 

[Parkside]

Of course investors want something out of it that’s how investment works???

It’s not a logic argument, it if was nobody would want investment in anything.

You basically saying lets not have investment in anything ever again as investors will want sometime back!!

English cricket aren't the investors-they're the sellers of a product. It's the moguls who have bought the product who are investing.
i.e. Investment(noun)-the action or process of investing money for profit:
Profit means making more in income than outgoing.

 

[Voice of fair play]

English cricket aren't the investors-they're the sellers of a product. It's the moguls who have bought the product who are investing.
i.e. Investment(noun)-the action or process of investing money for profit:

Like I said let’s not get investment ever again for anything ever, because investors want money for investing!!!

 

[Parkside]

Like I said let’s not get investment ever again for anything ever, because investors want money for investing!!!

English cricket haven't been investing in this situation -they're the sellers. Can you not see that? Or are you conveniently ignoring it?
The buyers are intending to make a profit for their I investment-from TV rights -which England had.
I.e. Sold for £900 million for a product which earns> £1 billion.

 

[Steak Pie]

Totally agree.
£20-25million as a once off for each of the non-hundred venue counties. Value this against the loss for ever of the main source of income from tv revenue which will now be contracted to the Hundred franchises. Each county will now lose the annual £3million+ which ECB distributed from that tv revenue.
That TV package was worth £1 billion+ which has been sacrificed for a Once off less than that. These Franchise moguls are hardened businessmen-they're clearly confident of taking more out than they put in.
Extremely naive to believe e.g. Voice of fair play that this sale comes without very punitive consequences.

Are you seriously suggesting that investors don't invest with the believe that they'll get out more than they put in? They're just some charitable benefactors?

It's absolutely madness, but some people just like being conned.

Even putting aside the financial aspect, we're also sacrificing the only time that kids can go to watch cricket. Literally taking the game away from children, and paying someone to do it.

Listened to the Chris Jordan interview on Tailenders today and was shaking my head. Won the Big Bash but didn't hang around to celebrate as he flew to Abu Dhabi and/or Dubai to play in that one, then a break to play for England then off to 4 different franchises before England's home matches.

It's just pure homogenised rubbish, Big Mac and large fries for every meal.

 

[Hetty]

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[Sillypoint]

Sure i heard Dan Norcross on TMS podcast saying for the likes of Derbyshire Northants etc they had a debt from running the club of about £100K or so a year, theyve now been given the money to cover that for 250 years

Also i dont think the 26million can be spent on players wages, just infastructure and grass roots, but if operating costs are covered means more teams can eat into their salary cap for players wages,

 

[Fleagle]

It's absolutely madness, but some people just like being conned.

Even putting aside the financial aspect, we're also sacrificing the only time that kids can go to watch cricket. Literally taking the game away from children, and paying someone to do it.

Yeah, all those kids who used to flock to watch the county championship must be gutted.

 

[Hetty]

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[Parkside]

Yeah, all those kids who used to flock to watch the county championship must be gutted.

It would be tantamount to child cruelty to force kids to watch the long form of cricket for 7 hours on a summer's day. The challenge is to get youngsters to get interested and be involved in playing the game in the summer months. Franchise cricket isn't going to do that given that it's only available to attend in 7 areas of the country and to be viewed to those with subscription tv. That hardly providing inclusitivity.

 

[Fleagle]

It would be tantamount to child cruelty to force kids to watch the long form of cricket for 7 hours on a summer's day. The challenge is to get youngsters to get interested and be involved in playing the game in the summer months. Franchise cricket isn't going to do that given that it's only available to attend in 7 areas of the country and to be viewed to those with subscription tv. That hardly providing inclusitivity.

Yeah it probably would these days. But then in itself is a change, because it’s what I used to do in my summers half a century ago.

At the risk of sounding like the old fogey that I am it’s the devil’s own job to get participation going for anything now. I’m still involved in junior football, and I don’t think participation has ever been as low, at least if you only count the boys. And that’s something that’s all over the telly and still played in schools. I don’t know how you get them to do something that hasn’t been on free to air for two decades, and probably hasn’t appeared on the school curriculum for longer still.

The one slight encouragement I take is that there still is cricket in August and the demographic at the one-day cup really isn’t too bad in my experience. Take away the nostalgia for the days when the England players played 65 overs a side, and could easily take that long to make 100 and it’s not a bad product.

 

[Parkside]

Yeah it probably would these days. But then in itself is a change, because it’s what I used to do in my summers half a century ago.

At the risk of sounding like the old fogey that I am it’s the devil’s own job to get participation going for anything now. I’m still involved in junior football, and I don’t think participation has ever been as low, at least if you only count the boys. And that’s something that’s all over the telly and still played in schools. I don’t know how you get them to do something that hasn’t been on free to air for two decades, and probably hasn’t appeared on the school curriculum for longer still.

The one slight encouragement I take is that there still is cricket in August and the demographic at the one-day cup really isn’t too bad in my experience. Take away the nostalgia for the days when the England players played 65 overs a side, and could easily take that long to make 100 and it’s not a bad product.

Yeh,Old fogies who spent all our summer holidays playing cricket and at the back end returned to football. Almost every school ran football and cricket teams. Coloured clothing also,depending on what coloured shirt your Ma gave you to wear that day. Happy days.

 

[Sillypoint]

I’m still involved in junior football, and I don’t think participation has ever been as low,

i could be wrong but it seems to me that more kids play football than ever before, when i was kid you played for the school team and with your mates in the street, and the really good kids went off to play for the local football clubs, maybe one team per age group,

All my mates who have boys everyone one of them is at a football club and playing saturday morning and training during the week, and theres loads of teams per age group to match the ability,

My gripe with it is though is it never stops, the bairns cricket team lose players to football and tournaments regularly in june and July , especially the under 9's and 11's who play sunday mornings, i know of another club locally who just say have 11players to put an under 15's cricket team out, they rely heavily on U13's stepping up and playing in both age groups, they probably wont have a team out this year as 3 of them have football training on the under 15's night

and come next year when they are the right age for that age group theyll have to make the decision football or cricket, which for summer months is shocking

 

[Voice of fair play]

i could be wrong but it seems to me that more kids play football than ever before, when i was kid you played for the school team and with your mates in the street, and the really good kids went off to play for the local football clubs, maybe one team per age group,

All my mates who have boys everyone one of them is at a football club and playing saturday morning and training during the week, and theres loads of teams per age group to match the ability,

My gripe with it is though is it never stops, the bairns cricket team lose players to football and tournaments regularly in june and July , especially the under 9's and 11's who play sunday mornings, i know of another club locally who just say have 11players to put an under 15's cricket team out, they rely heavily on U13's stepping up and playing in both age groups, they probably wont have a team out this year as 3 of them have football training on the under 15's night

and come next year when they are the right age for that age group theyll have to make the decision football or cricket, which for summer months is shocking

Could not agree more when I was kid there was the football season and cricket season and don’t get me wrong I love football as much as the next bloke and was better at football than cricket.

However I was still happy to stop football for 3/4 months to play cricket.

Now it’s football football for kids and even summer leagues which is absolutely crazy imo.

Football needs to switch off for a two or three months and it simply doesn’t.

 

[Iamme]

Yeah, all those kids who used to flock to watch the county championship must be gutted.

Even less nowadays most counties have stopped free entry after tea.
So at 4pm kids could go with their dad for 2 hours of county cricket spend probably about 20 quid in bat and on food etc but let's make 7 quid from selling them the ticket.

Greed.. Anyway children's loss and the counties in the long run.

So greed and money exists with the counties very much so. Even county cricket is about making a profit.

Even less nowadays most counties have stopped free entry after tea.
So at 4pm kids could go with their dad for 2 hours of county cricket spend probably about 20 quid in bat and on food etc but let's make 7 quid from selling them the ticket.

Greed.. Anyway children's loss and the counties in the long run.

So greed and money exists with the counties very much so. Even county cricket is about making a profit.

And fair play to the players, they want to earn the money playing in franchised cricket of course they do, until counties can match the money they get, it will always be the case now.