scotch
Striker
What happens if its Pakistan v India in the final?
In front of almost no fans
Duckett
Buttler
Root
Brook
Bethell
Livingstone
Salt/Smith WK
Atkinson
Rashid
Archer
Mahmood
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Champions Trophy 2025
- Thread starter scotch
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Buttler
Root
Brook
Bethell
Livingstone
Salt/Smith WK
Atkinson
Rashid
Archer
Mahmood
Nasser Butt-Head
Midfield
Neutral venue mate.
Same rules apply to Pakistan when there's going to be a tournament in India.
Can't see how cricket wins with this hybrid model at all. It just placates the Indians.
Nasser Butt-Head
Midfield
Yeah I think there was talk of compensation from the ICC. In the form of a lump sum or a triangular ODI tournament involving India on neutral soil or something. Better than nowt I suppose but still not ideal.
The biggest loser for me is cricket in general. It needs all it's sporting rivalries to be healthy. The India/Pakistan rivalry is on life support. Only being kept going by the odd match at the world cup or something.
tynevalleyblackcat
Striker
Lets hope Pakistan get to the final of every tournament played in India from now on then.
PallionLad
Full Back
The ultimate revenge for The Raj, destroying a national game?
I wouldn't rule it out. They are a strange bunch like.I apologise in advance for my perceived grandstanding, moral indignation, slightly irritant tone and somewhat disjointed post.
I appreciate you are only trying to play devil's advocate. But I can not accept anything in your previous post. In my opinion its past the time of giving the Indians the benefit of doubt. We need to collectively manifest our ill will towards them.
Can you, BCCI or Indian government explain why they are refusing to play Pakistan? Simply saying security concerns or political tensions is not good enough. If they don't want to participate then they should abstain, not have all the rest jumping through hoops for nee reason. All the other members and Icc were more than happy with the security preparations and plans from Pcb.
You cite the Mumbai attacks. What has that got to do with the Pakistani public or their cricket team? Let's not even get started with that terror incident and the oddities surrounding it. How long can that stick be used to beat Pakistan with and keep them down?
They can and have said allsorts just not to play Pakistan. What is the real reason? We can only speculate. Why is Dubai deemed OK now hut when it was Indias turn to play their in test championship a few years back they said Dubai was a terrorist state.
Looking at comparable examples is tough. Closest one I can think of is us refusing to play Aussies.
Another example that I prefer is that India think themselves as Israel and Pakistan as Palestine and treat them accordingly. Which is totally wrong. India apparently don't want to facilitate terrorists and enable Pakistan to hurt them.
Do you believe that Pakistan should be treated this way? They are actively being kept down and systematically destroyed. Pandering to India is destroying the integrity of our game. Not to mention making a mockery of the Test Championship. How can anyone be crowned champions when not all the teams play everyone?
Banging looking team that like.
Final in Dubai if India are in it. Total f***ing shambles. How anyone can agree to this I will never know. Actually scratch that. I know.. money.
I feel sorry for PCB here. In a ideal world they'd tell the icc and bcci to fuck off with this hybrid shite. But that will condem them even more and probably what the Indians want. They were ready to stage this whole thing. They put themselves forward as reserve venue. You couldn't make it up
Not a bad looking team that. I do like Saqib in the white ball team like. Got summat about him
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It’s a good post. And the comparables are indeed hard.
I apologise in advance for my perceived grandstanding, moral indignation, slightly irritant tone and somewhat disjointed post.
I appreciate you are only trying to play devil's advocate. But I can not accept anything in your previous post. In my opinion its past the time of giving the Indians the benefit of doubt. We need to collectively manifest our ill will towards them.
Can you, BCCI or Indian government explain why they are refusing to play Pakistan? Simply saying security concerns or political tensions is not good enough. If they don't want to participate then they should abstain, not have all the rest jumping through hoops for nee reason. All the other members and Icc were more than happy with the security preparations and plans from Pcb.
You cite the Mumbai attacks. What has that got to do with the Pakistani public or their cricket team? Let's not even get started with that terror incident and the oddities surrounding it. How long can that stick be used to beat Pakistan with and keep them down?
They can and have said allsorts just not to play Pakistan. What is the real reason? We can only speculate. Why is Dubai deemed OK now hut when it was Indias turn to play their in test championship a few years back they said Dubai was a terrorist state.
Looking at comparable examples is tough. Closest one I can think of is us refusing to play Aussies.
Another example that I prefer is that India think themselves as Israel and Pakistan as Palestine and treat them accordingly. Which is totally wrong. India apparently don't want to facilitate terrorists and enable Pakistan to hurt them.
Do you believe that Pakistan should be treated this way? They are actively being kept down and systematically destroyed. Pandering to India is destroying the integrity of our game. Not to mention making a mockery of the Test Championship. How can anyone be crowned champions when not all the teams play everyone?
Banging looking team that like.
Final in Dubai if India are in it. Total f***ing shambles. How anyone can agree to this I will never know. Actually scratch that. I know.. money.
I feel sorry for PCB here. In a ideal world they'd tell the icc and bcci to fuck off with this hybrid shite. But that will condem them even more and probably what the Indians want. They were ready to stage this whole thing. They put themselves forward as reserve venue. You couldn't make it up
Not a bad looking team that. I do like Saqib in the white ball team like. Got summat about him
Whether you like it or not, the Mumbai attacks are seen to have been facilitated by the govt, or ISI, and whilst that’s not the fault of the populace it does explain it
The invasion of Ukraine isn’t the fault of the average Russian, but they’re still barred from international sport.
Teams
Group A: Pakistan, India, New Zealand, BangladeshGroup B: South Africa, Australia, Afghanistan, England
Fixtures
February19 Pakistan v New Zealand, Karachi
20 Bangladesh v India, Dubai
21 Afghanistan v South Africa, Karachi
22 Australia v England, Lahore, Pakistan
23 Pakistan v India, Dubai
24 Bangladesh v New Zealand, Rawalpindi
25 Australia v South Africa, Rawalpindi
26 Afghanistan v England, Lahore
27 Pakistan v Bangladesh, Rawalpindi
28 Afghanistan v Australia, Lahore
March
1 South Africa v England, Karachi
2 New Zealand v India, Dubai
4 Semi-final 1, Dubai
5 Semi-final 2, Lahore
9 Final, Lahore (unless India qualify, then it will be played in Dubai)
Both semi-finals and final have reserve days
PallionLad
Full Back
It's funny how India only have issues surrounding the cricket. Not when the trade amount between the two countries has exceeded 1 billion in past. Its almost as if the decisions are monetary related.
Russia invaded another country. Pakistan 'had' nothing to do with attacks in India (what you're talking about is specularion and conjecture). Not really comparable imo. Plus if you go down that route. There are plenty of examples of sport not being affected by politics. USA Olympic team playing against USSR for one example.
How about IRA? Did we refuse to play Ireland at all in any game?
How long are Pakistan going to be punished for?
Why are you making excuses for blatant piss takers?
It is conjecture yes.
I’m not making excuses, and not really looking for an argument
Have a good one
Silly Point
Striker
Nations League of cricket. Pointless made up tournament to pour yet more into the coffers of the usual suspects. Primarily FTBCCICC
Nasser Butt-Head
Midfield
Class post that. Couldn't have put it more eloquently or succinctly!
I apologise in advance for my perceived grandstanding, moral indignation, slightly irritant tone and somewhat disjointed post.
I appreciate you are only trying to play devil's advocate. But I can not accept anything in your previous post. In my opinion its past the time of giving the Indians the benefit of doubt. We need to collectively manifest our ill will towards them.
Can you, BCCI or Indian government explain why they are refusing to play Pakistan? Simply saying security concerns or political tensions is not good enough. If they don't want to participate then they should abstain, not have all the rest jumping through hoops for nee reason. All the other members and Icc were more than happy with the security preparations and plans from Pcb.
You cite the Mumbai attacks. What has that got to do with the Pakistani public or their cricket team? Let's not even get started with that terror incident and the oddities surrounding it. How long can that stick be used to beat Pakistan with and keep them down?
They can and have said allsorts just not to play Pakistan. What is the real reason? We can only speculate. Why is Dubai deemed OK now hut when it was Indias turn to play their in test championship a few years back they said Dubai was a terrorist state.
Looking at comparable examples is tough. Closest one I can think of is us refusing to play Aussies.
Another example that I prefer is that India think themselves as Israel and Pakistan as Palestine and treat them accordingly. Which is totally wrong. India apparently don't want to facilitate terrorists and enable Pakistan to hurt them.
Do you believe that Pakistan should be treated this way? They are actively being kept down and systematically destroyed. Pandering to India is destroying the integrity of our game. Not to mention making a mockery of the Test Championship. How can anyone be crowned champions when not all the teams play everyone?
Banging looking team that like.
Final in Dubai if India are in it. Total f***ing shambles. How anyone can agree to this I will never know. Actually scratch that. I know.. money.
I feel sorry for PCB here. In a ideal world they'd tell the icc and bcci to fuck off with this hybrid shite. But that will condem them even more and probably what the Indians want. They were ready to stage this whole thing. They put themselves forward as reserve venue. You couldn't make it up
Not a bad looking team that. I do like Saqib in the white ball team like. Got summat about him
PallionLad
Full Back
You too mate. Its a shame you bowing out.
I wasn't looking for argument either. I just wanted to get into the mindset of someone who was trying to justify the indian stance. I've spoke to manyier Indian regarding this issue. Their answers are not good like. Most of it being right wing "Trump esq" claptrap. Arrogance was off the charts too. Talking down about Pakistan like they a 3rd would country. Ermm hello?
Im tired of the blatant hypocrisy, injustices and downright tomfoolery getting perpetrated by the keents.
Am a naive for wanting to speak out and hoping people will listen? Probably. It's a fxcked up world we live in atm.
TheRey
Striker
Can't agree there mind, not often i disagree with you. I love the Champions Trophy.
It's absolutely right that as many teams play in a WC as possible, but ATM it's a pathetic number of teams, convoluted as fuck, takes forever to finish.
The CT is the best 8 teams teams in the world, shorter format so no jeopardy, doesn't get dragged out, and it has thrown up some very good cricket in the last couple of decades.
Looking forward to this more than I was the WC
Silly Point
Striker
Just don't see the need for it if you've got the two World Cups (we'll three if you count the Test one) Just a tournament for the sake of it (and money obviously)..
Mind that final when Pakistan beat India is one of my favourite ever non England games.
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ChicagoCat
Winger
At least the third in a row where they've had the very last group stage game so they'll know exactly what they need to get through.
Truly bullshit. Sporting integrity has gone out the window to favor India in international cricket.
Nasser Butt-Head
Midfield
I still have it recorded on sky player lol. Fakar Zahman getting dropped then scoring a century amongst some great memories of the day.
Not many world cup or champions trophy games Paks have beaten India in so that final in England was special. 2017 I think.
TheRey
Striker
Aye it was 2017 - humped us in the semis
mackembhoy
Striker
Jamie Overton making the case for his selection in both sides massively valid in BBL at the moment.
He's joint top wicket taker with 7 wickets at 18.71 and he's third highest run scorer with 126 runs and 4 not outs so no average yet
He's joint top wicket taker with 7 wickets at 18.71 and he's third highest run scorer with 126 runs and 4 not outs so no average yet
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