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Jack Clarke To West Ham/Burnley/Lazio/ latest Ipswich...

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palm 1 said:
Do you not take into account the playing style and performance level of the team the player performs for . Leeds were a far better team overall than our team with threats from allover the place . We were a one man team with Clarke being doubled and trebled up on .
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Leeds also had a much better team.
 

Let's take the previous season's data...when Clarke was part of a top 6 team in this division...

Started 46/47 league games he was available for (including the 2 PO matches).

Scored 9 goals from a total xG of 5.6.
He got 12 assists from a total xA of 6.9.

So he had 21 contributions from a total NPxG+xA of 12.5. Huge over performance.

His NPxG+xA per 90 that season was 0.28.

So all this about him putting up the same numbers as Summerville because he'd be in a better, attacking team, is a load of cobblers.

His data and stats may have improved if he played for Leeds. But there's nothing in his history that suggests he'd improve that much to get close to Summerville's numbers.

Jack Clarke is a very good player. And in this division, he'd get in most teams, but comparing him to Summerville, who, last season, was arguably the best winger in the league, is unfair on Clarke.

Jack Clarke in his own right is a great player for this league, but he's not near Summerville's level....yet.
 
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Marvanelli said:
Let's take the previous season's data...when Clarke was part of a top 6 team in this division...

Started 46/47 league games he was available for (including the 2 PO matches).

Scored 9 goals from a total xG of 5.6.
He got 12 assists from a total xA of 6.9.

So he had 21 contributions from a total NPxG+xA of 12.5. Huge over performance.

His NPxG+xA per 90 that season was 0.28.

So all this about him putting up the same numbers as Summerville because he'd be in a better, attacking team, is a load of cobblers.

His data and stats may have improved if he played for Leeds. But there's nothing in his history that suggests he'd get improve that much to get close to Summerville's numbers.

Jack Clarke is a very good player. And in this division, he'd get in most teams, but comparing him to Summerville, who, last season, was arguably the best winger in the league, is unfair on Clarke.

Jack Clarke in his own right is a great player for this league, but he's not near Summerville's level....yet.
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It's taken you 2 hours to look all that data up and everyone still thinks you're talking out your rectum.
 
Marvanelli said:
Let's take the previous season's data...when Clarke was part of a top 6 team in this division...

Started 46/47 league games he was available for (including the 2 PO matches).

Scored 9 goals from a total xG of 5.6.
He got 12 assists from a total xA of 6.9.

So he had 21 contributions from a total NPxG+xA of 12.5. Huge over performance.

His NPxG+xA per 90 that season was 0.28.

So all this about him putting up the same numbers as Summerville because he'd be in a better, attacking team, is a load of cobblers.

His data and stats may have improved if he played for Leeds. But there's nothing in his history that suggests he'd improve that much to get close to Summerville's numbers.

Jack Clarke is a very good player. And in this division, he'd get in every team, but comparing him to Summerville, who, last season, was arguably the best winger in the league, is unfair on Clarke.

Jack Clarke in his own right is a great player for this league, but he's not near Summerville's level....yet.
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Tidied
 
Marvanelli said:
Let's take the previous season's data...when Clarke was part of a top 6 team in this division...

Started 46/47 league games he was available for (including the 2 PO matches).

Scored 9 goals from a total xG of 5.6.
He got 12 assists from a total xA of 6.9.

So he had 21 contributions from a total NPxG+xA of 12.5. Huge over performance.

His NPxG+xA per 90 that season was 0.28.

So all this about him putting up the same numbers as Summerville because he'd be in a better, attacking team, is a load of cobblers.

His data and stats may have improved if he played for Leeds. But there's nothing in his history that suggests he'd improve that much to get close to Summerville's numbers.

Jack Clarke is a very good player. And in this division, he'd get in most teams, but comparing him to Summerville, who, last season, was arguably the best winger in the league, is unfair on Clarke.

Jack Clarke in his own right is a great player for this league, but he's not near Summerville's level....yet.
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I don’t understand your logic. You’re taking 22/23 Clarke v 23/24 Summerville, why?

Clearly Summerville had a breakaway season last year. But I don’t see why you’re picking different seasons here. Particularly to pick Clarke’s worst and Summerville’s best. Is there a reason?

(Actual npG+A per 90s in brackets)

In terms of NPxG+xA:

Clarke - 22/23 - 0.29 (0.48)
Clarke - 23/24 - 0.43 (0.36)

Summerville - 22/23 - 0.28 (0.38)
Summerville - 23/24 - 0.62 (0.62)
 
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woodlebert said:
I don’t understand your logic. You’re taking 22/23 Clarke v 23/24 Summerville, why?
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I'm not.

Many on here were suggesting if Clarke was whacked in Leeds' team, his numbers would be the same (if not better) than Summerville's, due to Clarke being in a 'relegation fodder' team last season.

So I looked at his stats for 22/23, when he was in a much more attacking team, under a forward thinking and attacking manager - Tony Mowbray - and in fact his numbers were worse.

He's obviously still young, so every season he's getting closer to his prime years, but neither seasons have been remotely close to Summerville's season, last season.

Comparing Clarke in 22/23 to Summerville in 23/24 wouldn't really be fair, although, Clarke is 1 year older than Summerville...so at both their stages of the career at the age of 22 (Clarke in 22/23 and Summerville in 23/24), Summerville's stats are way ahead of Clarke's when he was 22.

Clarke improved last season...albeit in a 'worse' team than that of 22/23....but some suggest if he was in Leeds' team last season he'd be close to Summerville. The stats and numbers suggest otherwise.

Funny how Clarke in 23/24 in a worse team than 22/23, actually performed better than he did in the better team in 22/23...
 
Marvanelli said:
I'm not.

Many on here were suggesting if Clarke was whacked in Leeds' team, his numbers would be the same (if not better) than Summerville's, due to Clarke being in a 'relegation fodder' team last season.

So I looked at his stats for 22/23, when he was in a much more attacking team, under a forward thinking and attacking manager - Tony Mowbray - and in fact his numbers were worse.

He's obviously still young, so every season he's getting closer to his prime years, but neither seasons have been remotely close to Summerville's season, last season.

Comparing Clarke in 22/23 to Summerville in 23/24 wouldn't really be fair, although, Clarke is 1 year older than Summerville...so at both their stages of the career at the age of 22 (Clarke in 22/23 and Summerville in 23/24), Summerville's stats are way ahead of Clarke's when he was 22.

Clarke improved last season...albeit in a 'worse' team than that of 22/23....but some suggest if he was in Leeds' team last season he'd be close to Summerville. The stats and numbers suggest otherwise.

Funny how Clarke in 23/24 in a worse team than 22/23, actually performed better than he did in the better team in 22/23...
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Why are you so bothered that we value Clarke at £25M? Weird!
 
Marvanelli said:
Let's take the previous season's data...when Clarke was part of a top 6 team in this division...

Started 46/47 league games he was available for (including the 2 PO matches).

Scored 9 goals from a total xG of 5.6.
He got 12 assists from a total xA of 6.9.

So he had 21 contributions from a total NPxG+xA of 12.5. Huge over performance.

His NPxG+xA per 90 that season was 0.28.

So all this about him putting up the same numbers as Summerville because he'd be in a better, attacking team, is a load of cobblers.

His data and stats may have improved if he played for Leeds. But there's nothing in his history that suggests he'd improve that much to get close to Summerville's numbers.

Jack Clarke is a very good player. And in this division, he'd get in most teams, but comparing him to Summerville, who, last season, was arguably the best winger in the league, is unfair on Clarke.

Jack Clarke in his own right is a great player for this league, but he's not near Summerville's level....yet.
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Bollocks, he’s better than Summerville
 
woodlebert said:
I don’t understand your logic. You’re taking 22/23 Clarke v 23/24 Summerville, why?

Clearly Summerville had a breakaway season last year. But I don’t see why you’re picking different seasons here. Particularly to pick Clarke’s worst and Summerville’s best. Is there a reason?

(Actual npG+A per 90s in brackets)

In terms of NPxG+xA:

Clarke - 22/23 - 0.29 (0.48)
Clarke - 23/24 - 0.43 (0.36)

Summerville - 22/23 - 0.28 (0.38)
Summerville - 23/24 - 0.62 (0.62)
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you can only use last season as a comparator foe somerville as its the only time he has played in the championship..
Roker-73 said:
Bollocks, he’s better than Summerville
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certainly not! Summerville has achived way more in the game...
 
Perryqhill said:
Bank a single 20m from his sale though and you've probably lost your best player and highest earner.

Do we then go and spend 10m on a centre forward and absolutely smash the wage structure to do it?

Think we all know the answer and there's no easy way out of this one so from a staying up and getting something out-of this season perspective I still say keep him.
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We get £20m and end up buying 8 players then banking the other £18m
 
scott934 said:
Clarke has 2 years left on his contract and it's not unreasonable for us to want Alex Scott, Jarrod Bowen, Crysencio Summerville type money.
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The problem is if he doesn't go this summer, he will be into the last 18 months of his deal come January and his value will probably start decreasing.

Might be a few itchy people at the club about that
 
summaz said:
When Kildare said he makes spelling mistakes because he’s so busy. :lol:

Imagine being so busy, you post on a Sunderland forum and are frantically smashing the keys to make your point before your next busy task. :lol:
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An average of 15 posts a day for 6 whole years but too busy to not make every sentence look like he's smashing his bonce off his keyboard
 
scott934 said:
Clarke has 2 years left on his contract and it's not unreasonable for us to want Alex Scott, Jarrod Bowen, Crysencio Summerville type money.
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Think if he signed on we could ask for whatever we want for him. But that 2 years will quickly become 1, and contract talks stalled a long while back. If it's apparent he's not going to sign, we probably need to shift him now.
 
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