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VARguments

Matnab said:
Yeah but at least the offside would be more justified. I don't have a massive issue with offside is offside but I'd give a small margin of grace to stop the moaning.
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How much margin? Because all you do is move the line.
Be a toenail off in your margin of grace as well. The line has to be somewhere, so there'll always be a fractional call at some point
 

What A Waster said:
How much margin? Because all you do is move the line.
Be a toenail off in your margin of grace as well. The line has to be somewhere, so there'll always be a fractional call at some point
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Yeah I get that but moving the line forward at least means attackers are not being penalised for only being a mm ahead of the defender.
 
Matnab said:
Yeah I get that but moving the line forward at least means attackers are not being penalised for only being a mm ahead of the defender.
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But they will still eventually get a 1mm offside call, because they're only 1mm past the new line.

Wherever the line is there'll still be offside called because the attacker is 1mm beyond it
 
What A Waster said:
But they will still eventually get a 1mm offside call, because they're only 1mm past the new line.

Wherever the line is there'll still be offside called because the attacker is 1mm beyond it
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I know.

I don't understand what you're not getting.

The difference is in the current scenario a defender is offside by being 1mm ahead of the defender which people have an issue with.

If they move the line forward to allow for grace you rightly say you can still be offside by a cm but at least the attacker is ahead by 51cm, which seems fairer.
 
sunderpitt said:
One of the factors for me is that, there is a second or two from when the passing player first touches the ball, which then deflates a little before releasing from his foot. Technology cannot really measure that, hence the need for a buffer. Toenails etc just makes football look silly.
Even in cricket they have a sort of buffer, 'umpires call', recognising Technology isn't the be all and end all. Except for goalmouth, in or out.
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The offside is from when the ball is first touched and not when it's released. The ball has a sensor inside that can detect exactly when the touch occurs as it's scanning 500 times a second. There has been a buffer for VAR offside since 2021/22 with thicker lines that gave 10cm to the attacker, yet many people still don't know it existed. The semi-automated stuff is more accurate but it should still have a thicker line like the manual VAR offside.

:edit: I just checked and it's in this same thread that I posted about the potential loophole in the offside law. It's on the same page just above your post.

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As mentioned, where do you draw the onside/offside line if it's ahead or behind as no matter where it is then someone will say it's 1mm out or mention toenails. The automated stuff is is far more consistent as it's always down to a few cms either way now and less than the manual VAR offside...
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What A Waster said:
But they will still eventually get a 1mm offside call, because they're only 1mm past the new line.

Wherever the line is there'll still be offside called because the attacker is 1mm beyond it
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Whistle73 said:
If your a millimeter ahead of the defender your offside. Simple as that really. That's the rules and VAR was brought in for this.
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Some just moan for the sake of moaning but some have a valid point and that's the point that even the SAOT isn't accurate to the mm. There is no need to change the law but there is a need (in my opinion) that they give all the margin of error to the attacker to remove all doubt that he may have actually still been 1mm onside. By doing this then it will get rid of the uproar when offsides are called like they were yesterday.

I've even seen on that was shirt sleeve stitch away as it was in the World Cup 2022 when Croatia played Belgium and there was a penna given to Croatia but then ruled out for the offside (video link below). This is the image and it's the Croatian who is offside! It's probably the closest I've seen so far as you'd think it was the Belgium player who was offside, not the Croatian!

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Another more recent one was Belgium again with Lukaku when they played Romania as it was the head, shoulder, knee and toe offside by a small margin.

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The margin of error is larger with the manual VAR and it still exists with the SAOT, albeit smaller but it's still there so it could well be that Lukaku could have been onside. They could simply make the white line (white wall) thicker like the manual VAR and give the advantage to the attacker, even if it's 10cm again to eliminate all doubt about offside being given incorrectly.

Something will happen when more of these decisions occur, just like it did when VAR first came in with the very thin lines but the fan uproar caused them to review it and mentioned in the link below. They made the lines thicker 3 seasons ago and also changed the rule regarding how the lines are compared against each other. Originally they could overlap and the furthest forward point was used but then it was changed so that if the players lines overlapped it was onside and offside if there was gap, hence the 10cm advantage.

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Suggestion 1: Completely scrap the Offside rule. They've tinkered with it so much it is just ridiculous to argue over a hair's width. No Offide, no stupid VARGUMENTS.

Suggestion 2: handball - don't penalise a player for having is hand in whatever stupid place or position he chooses to have it. Only penalise when there is a clear movement of hand toward the trajectory of the ball.

Suggestion 3: Use VAR to inform the ref every time a player dives or rolls about unneccesarily. Complulsory yellow cards would soon sort out this kind of cheating.
 
chunkyshanhawk53 said:
Haven’t seen this one. But as a system it’s gonna take time to perfect.

It will get way more decisions right than wrong
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It shouldn't get any wrong !
Would it destroy the game if they simply got rid of the offside rule for players in the penalty box??
 
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DJM said:
Suggestion 2: handball - don't penalise a player for having is hand in whatever stupid place or position he chooses to have it. Only penalise when there is a clear movement of hand toward the trajectory of the ball.
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That doesn't legislate for sticking your arm in the way of where the ball is most likely to be struck. You are effectively licensing the use of an arm to deliberately block a shot.
 
Sporty said:
Some just moan for the sake of moaning but some have a valid point and that's the point that even the SAOT isn't accurate to the mm. There is no need to change the law but there is a need (in my opinion) that they give all the margin of error to the attacker to remove all doubt that he may have actually still been 1mm onside. By doing this then it will get rid of the uproar when offsides are called like they were yesterday.

I've even seen on that was shirt sleeve stitch away as it was in the World Cup 2022 when Croatia played Belgium and there was a penna given to Croatia but then ruled out for the offside (video link below). This is the image and it's the Croatian who is offside! It's probably the closest I've seen so far as you'd think it was the Belgium player who was offside, not the Croatian!

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Another more recent one was Belgium again with Lukaku when they played Romania as it was the head, shoulder, knee and toe offside by a small margin.

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The margin of error is larger with the manual VAR and it still exists with the SAOT, albeit smaller but it's still there so it could well be that Lukaku could have been onside. They could simply make the white line (white wall) thicker like the manual VAR and give the advantage to the attacker, even if it's 10cm again to eliminate all doubt about offside being given incorrectly.

Something will happen when more of these decisions occur, just like it did when VAR first came in with the very thin lines but the fan uproar caused them to review it and mentioned in the link below. They made the lines thicker 3 seasons ago and also changed the rule regarding how the lines are compared against each other. Originally they could overlap and the furthest forward point was used but then it was changed so that if the players lines overlapped it was onside and offside if there was gap, hence the 10cm advantage.

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This is what I have argued... A long time

Make them thicker to account for errors and insane decisions.
 
Sporty said:
The offside is from when the ball is first touched and not when it's released. The ball has a sensor inside that can detect exactly when the touch occurs as it's scanning 500 times a second. There has been a buffer for VAR offside since 2021/22 with thicker lines that gave 10cm to the attacker, yet many people still don't know it existed. The semi-automated stuff is more accurate but it should still have a thicker line like the manual VAR offside.

:edit: I just checked and it's in this same thread that I posted about the potential loophole in the offside law. It's on the same page just above your post.

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As mentioned, where do you draw the onside/offside line if it's ahead or behind as no matter where it is then someone will say it's 1mm out or mention toenails. The automated stuff is is far more consistent as it's always down to a few cms either way now and less than the manual VAR offside...
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I'm not saying that you're wrong but surely the Danish manager would know that it's when it's first touched? Apparently not according to his comments here.https://www.facebook.com/share/r/7KT86vnMAtY2RuiA/
 
Matnab said:
Yeah I get that but moving the line forward at least means attackers are not being penalised for only being a mm ahead of the defender.
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If you gave a striker 10cm of leeway, people would just then complain when a goal is disallowed for "only" being 1mm over 10cm.
Basically people will always whine about the rules of the game when they fall foul of one.
 
zebediah said:
If you gave a striker 10cm of leeway, people would just then complain when a goal is disallowed for "only" being 1mm over 10cm.
Basically people will always whine about the rules of the game when they fall foul of one.
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Yes mate I generally agree. The complete shite that gets spouted about referees and officials is a far far bigger problem than the standard of refereeing.
 
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