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Smith not Robinson to keep wicket


Lumley End said:
I’m seeing all over people saying Stokes must be fuming/gutted that Robinson has been overlooked. That’s a load of tosh. As above, if Stokes wanted him he would’ve had him.
I had a look at the numbers yesterday re Smith & Robinson.

Smith’s career average is around 2 higher than Robinson’s. 40.80 v 39.09.

Robinson’s SR is around 9 higher than Smith’s. 67.94 v 58.58

Robinson’s 2024 average is around 32 higher than Smith’s. 82.66 v 50.70

Robinson’s 2024 SR is around 10 higher than Smith’s. 86.81 v 76.93

Keeping stats are a massive difference but probably not fair to compare due to Smith not actually keeping for his county.

I know it’s not always about the stats, and they only tell part of the story, but I’m struggling how you can look at those numbers and still pick Smith over Robinson.
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I think the answer to your question is rightly or wrongly they see the long term potential of Smith as a higher bar and want him in now to get him embedded into the side well before the ashes.

Is that unfair on Robinson with the very articulate argument you have made, probably yeah
 
Voice of fair play said:
I think the answer to your question is rightly or wrongly they see the long term potential of Smith as a higher bar and want him in now to get him embedded into the side well before the ashes.

Is that unfair on Robinson with the very articulate argument you have made, probably yeah
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Yeah that’s exactly why they’ve done it I agree

I really rate Robinson and am not gutted for him but it’s not like a massively disgraceful decision

I thought Smith would get in the side as a Batman eventually, I’m just a bit unsure that lumping him with the gloves is a good idea
 
MustardAndOnions said:
I don’t think it’s mental like

Smith is a special special talent
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It’s one of those where you can see both sides of the argument?

From one side what more could Robinson have done?

Nothing more imo?

Been brilliant and his numbers outstanding.

However I agree Smith very special talent, I suspected and said they would give him a go because he has the talent and fits into more or less exactly what this regime wants
chopsfc007 said:
Who's in better form and keeping
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We know the answer to that question that not the argument that is been put forward
 
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chopsfc007 said:
Who's in better form and keeping
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Yeah but when you’re making a decision for the next few years it’s not just based on who is on form at that exact moment is it

Not gonna be much relevance in a years time like is it
Voice of fair play said:
It’s one of those where you can see both sides of the argument?

From one side what more could Robinson have done?

Nothing more imo?

Been brilliant and his numbers outstanding.

However I agree Smith very special talent, I suspected and said they would give him a go because he has the talent and fits into more or less exactly what this regime wants

We know the answer to that question that not the argument that is been put forward
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Yep

People go on like selection is an exact science based on highest averages

It’s how we ended up with burns and sibley opening
 
Voice of fair play said:
I think the answer to your question is rightly or wrongly they see the long term potential of Smith as a higher bar and want him in now to get him embedded into the side well before the ashes.

Is that unfair on Robinson with the very articulate argument you have made, probably yeah
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That probably is the correct answer, and I suppose shows a bit of a nuance in picking a squad for test cricket. They don’t necessarily pick a side on the basis of the next series, they will already be looking towards the next ashes and probably the ashes after that. That would also explain Bashir over Leach despite Bash running drinks for Somerset.
 
MustardAndOnions said:
Yeah but when you’re making a decision for the next few years it’s not just based on who is on form at that exact moment is it

Not gonna be much relevance in a years time like is it


Yep

People go on like selection is an exact science based on highest averages

It’s how we ended up with burns and sibley opening
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It's not form at the moment he's consistently excellent
Voice of fair play said:
It’s one of those where you can see both sides of the argument?

From one side what more could Robinson have done?

Nothing more imo?

Been brilliant and his numbers outstanding.

However I agree Smith very special talent, I suspected and said they would give him a go because he has the talent and fits into more or less exactly what this regime wants

We know the answer to that question that not the argument that is been put forward
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Could we not play both if pope doesn't improve
 
Lumley End said:
That probably is the correct answer, and I suppose shows a bit of a nuance in picking a squad for test cricket. They don’t necessarily pick a side on the basis of the next series, they will already be looking towards the next ashes and probably the ashes after that. That would also explain Bashir over Leach despite Bash running drinks for Somerset.
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Yeah that is just my opinion for what it worth of the rationale behind both them decisions.

But I do agree Robinson extremely unlucky and could have not done anymore to get picked
 
MustardAndOnions said:
Yeah but when you’re making a decision for the next few years it’s not just based on who is on form at that exact moment is it

Not gonna be much relevance in a years time like is it


Yep

People go on like selection is an exact science based on highest averages

It’s how we ended up with burns and sibley opening
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Yeah the side would pick itself and no need for selectors if everything on stats and averages
 
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