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VARguments

Matnab said:
Pretty much every decision is completely subjective...

Excessive force
Unnatural position
Sufficient contact
Out of control
The list goes on.

All of these judgements will always bring contention. I really don't see how the rules of football can ever allow for satisfactory concensus. People just can't come to terms with it.
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Exactly..a tackle van technically be a foul, and not a foul, at the same time. You could have 1000 referees and not get it right due to it being a mathematical and philosophical impossibility
 

tunstallhill said:
Exactly..a tackle van technically be a foul, and not a foul, at the same time. You could have 1000 referees and not get it right due to it being a mathematical and philosophical impossibility
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I'd say a good 20% of decisions the ref is entitled to give either way.
 
Matnab said:
Referees shouldn't feel like chumps. I just can't get my head round what people can't understand. Even after years and years of referees getting decisions wrong people still can't seem to grasp that in real time you don't have a chance in hell of not making huge errors. They always have and they always will. Real time, shit vantage point, obstructed view etc - they don't stand a chance!

I honestly think VAR could work if they let a panel of 3 decide big decisions from the control room (reds, pens and fouls leading to goals). Who would make up those panels is the only challenge.
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Was there not 2 players in the control room for the 3 Notts Forest pens fiasco?
I've heard the audio for the third pen - dear me.
 
bernardbresslaw said:
Was there not 2 players in the control room for the 3 Notts Forest pens fiasco?
I've heard the audio for the third pen - dear me.
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Yes but they aren't getting involved in those type of decisions. They need to make decisions in the control room. Only the third one was clearly wrong. Admittedly, they should have intervened.
 
Vicham said:
14 cameras for goal decision system. God knows how many for the match. And none of them focusing on when the ball is played. Only on the line. It is beyond ridiculous.
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And just a few days later, we get different frames for the free kick for the opener. I can honestly say I've never seen that before
 
Another Game, another ultimately shite VAR episode in the Chelsea game. 3 mins trying to rule it out, first for an off side that was never offside, then for a foul that was never a foul.

What exactly is the point in that ?

1000000 people could tell you after 3 seconds of the first replay there was nowt wrong with it..why 3 mins ?
 
chunkyshanhawk53 said:
Random quote from 2019

I get why people don’t like it, but most people ignore the stuff it gets right (goals that are offside and missed on the field)

Still think it needs simplifying. Especially in England
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Yeah I get it was from 2019 but it's been 5 years now and this has highlighted that it hasn't helped at all.
My original argument all those years ago were that I would take away the joy of celebrating a goal and I think the Danes would agree with me. I don't care about getting decisions right, its an entertainment not a video game.
 
bernardbresslaw said:
Yeah I get it was from 2019 but it's been 5 years now and this has highlighted that it hasn't helped at all.
My original argument all those years ago were that I would take away the joy of celebrating a goal and I think the Danes would agree with me. I don't care about getting decisions right, its an entertainment not a video game.
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Get that. But equally we do need decisions to be right. Where it’s subjective it needs to be quicker and left on the field , but where someone is 2 yards off and it’s not given then I think the right decision prevails

Imagine we miss promotion because of shit linesman…
 
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