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Liam Rosenior

Guinness Guzzler said:
Tbf he had a side that was well backed in the transfer market and ultimately fell short. Good improvement from when he came in like, but I'd argue hull last season were much more equipped for play offs than we are now, so it's hard to imagine him getting us up there unless he's similarly backed, which I can't see happening. I'd like to at least have the hope of a head coach who might get us massively over performing.

The big thing for me is the dull football he plays though, mentioned before that I think the place is similar to when Keane came in and just needed a lift. People were bored rigid by the end of last season, and going to games was a chore for many. Can't see that apathy lifting if its someone who apparently got sacked for refusing to play a more attacking style.

I probably am being negative, but it would be a boring appointment and I expect most were hoping for more, for a sign of ambition. Let's be honest, very few calling for this lad a few weeks ago
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The thing is, every appointment we have been reportedly looking into is a massive roll of the dice. It’s more exciting to get someone untested but it can also turn out to be a total disaster. He’s at least comfortable with this league/level.

He would not have been my first choice, but I think he’s better than the shit he’s getting on here. That 2nd tier podcast watch a lot of championship football and they both rate him.
 

The Situation said:
He is absolutely right up there. There aren't many better.

11 goal contributions in 20 Championship games for Hull too!
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Mavididi, Vardy, Hutchinson, Summerville, Armstrong, Gnonto, Smallbone, Dewsbury-Hall etc May have something to say about that like but each to their own 👍🏻
 
Guinness Guzzler said:
You're right. But that's meant to be where we've got this great knowledge of coaches around the continent. If the one we target says no, it just feels a bit unambitious, and not very reassuring, if the next option is another recently sacked manager who you can be almost certain we wouldn't have been targeting had there been compensation to pay
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Anyone who believes we have a genuine succession plan is living on a different planet and falling for the spin that the club wants us to believe.

As you rightly allude to and it’s a point I have made earlier today, if he was still employed at Hull he wouldn’t have even been considered and that’s an absolute fact. The owner doesn’t seem to have the ambition or know how to even consider paying compensation for who he believes to be his No1 choice.

Let’s be absolutely honest he is going to be our Head Coach as at least the 4th or 5th choice because he has become available. Yes I will totally get behind the lad and I hope he gets some proper support in the transfer market.

However arguably the biggest club in the Championship should be able to attract way better than a man who Derby and Hull didn’t believe is good enough to take them forward, It smacks of desperation. I wonder how Speakman will dress this up to the fans.
 
samaistonsrightfoot said:
Particularly considering Reiver was on there 3 weeks ago saying we had already appointed a manager who was speaking to signings but the club hadn’t announced it because they don’t have to tell us every little thing that happens at club 😂
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I appreciate the politics board gets some well deserved grief but the ITK incels on threads like this are a special breed of fuckwit.
 
Steve F said:
, It smacks of desperation.
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One of the resident moaners going ott again.

It doesn’t smack of deaperation at all. He finished just outside the play offs in his first full season as a manager with a team he kept up the year before. If anything it’s more pragmatic than desperate.

Challinor or the bloke from St. Mirren would be desperate.
 
If Liam Rosenior is offered the job and accepts it I would hope it won't be under the same remit as our last incumbent. I certainly think with the current squad he will be an improvement on the interim appointment who was simply not fit for purpose. With recruitment being focussed on who he can keep and sign experienced competent players who are needed then it will give him and his staff a chance to work with a squad who can compete. Should however Speakman and KLD sell him short then I think he will refuse the job as I think he will have other offers. His previous mentor Mr Bruce no doubt will enlighten him on what he can expect if he is successful at Sunderland, but also tell him that make sure you are given some tools to go with his ability in motivating and developing them into a decent outfit.
 
Steve F said:
The owner sadly can’t see it. He has zero experience in running a business which sadly is what football has become even more so over the past 10 years or so.

For any business or club to be successful it needs exceptionally good people below the owner and he is struggling in that regard. The recruitment of the Head Coach the most important person he will certainly employ and the way our 1st, 2nd, 3rd and so on preferred choices are not interested for reasons we are asking them to take the job is hugely concerning and how we are now perceived within football circles.
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Exactly right.
Good Coaches are in work.
Maybe pay compensation to get the right man? Allow the right man to bring in their own assistant and backroom staff and give them the funds to bring in the right players. Give a decent Coach the right tools to do their job and the right environment to work in and we might actually go somewhere. The interview process works two ways. We have to be an attractive proposition and show potential coaches that we are ambitious and want to get back to the Premier League.
The current set up and terms and conditions attached to the job is clearly putting good people off and you can hardly blame them. There should be no shortage of decent candidates yet once they pull back the layers and see what's going on they run a mile. The last 3 Coaches have all had the same issues.
 
Nelson! said:
One of the resident moaners going ott again.

It doesn’t smack of deaperation at all. He finished just outside the play offs in his first full season as a manager with a team he kept up the year before. If anything it’s more pragmatic than desperate.

Challinor or the bloke from St. Mirren would be desperate.
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Appreciate your opinion, he wasn’t even a consideration 4 weeks ago, he is now because we can’t get the people we really wanted.
 
Steve F said:
Anyone who believes we have a genuine succession plan is living on a different planet and falling for the spin that the club wants us to believe.

As you rightly allude to and it’s a point I have made earlier today, if he was still employed at Hull he wouldn’t have even been considered and that’s an absolute fact. The owner doesn’t seem to have the ambition or know how to even consider paying compensation for who he believes to be his No1 choice.

Let’s be absolutely honest he is going to be our Head Coach as at least the 4th or 5th choice because he has become available. Yes I will totally get behind the lad and I hope he gets some proper support in the transfer market.

However arguably the biggest club in the Championship should be able to attract way better than a man who Derby and Hull didn’t believe is good enough to take them forward, It smacks of desperation. I wonder how Speakman will dress this up to the fans.
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Up and coming coach with good experience behind him, 2/5 in betting now so looks nailed on
 
Nelson! said:
“reduced autonomy, probably pretty low wages, staffing limitations and a bit of a history of either being erratic with managers”

That bit.

“It’s not ideal when trying to sell yourself so we just end up with last choice and claim it’s our first.”

And that bit.
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Reduced autonomy - Less say in transfers etc. Must play Jobe.
Probably low wages - we’ve one of the lowest bills in the league
Staffing limitations - must have Proctor and Dodds
Bit if a history of being erratic with managers - Beale lasted a couple month and we’ve now had 5 in 3 year. 1 left complaining about the above factors. One was sacked shortly after complaining about transfers/automomy. One was sacked in a playoff position.

We’ve been after a manager for 4 months and ended up with one (if it’s Rosenior) down the list who’s only ended up in the running because he’s been sacked a month ago and we don’t even seem like we wanted him then but not been left with much other choice now.
 
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MadMackem10 said:
I’ll probably get tortured for this but I do have sympathy for the club. Yes they should have had the deal done and signed with Still much sooner but when your target since December becomes available and it’s positive to the point he agrees to the job in principle I can’t blame the club for focussing on him. When a club playing European football comes in for him there is little the we could have done.

And from that point anybody else is going to feel like the backup choice.
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I sort of get what you're saying, but that doesn't then mean letting it drag on was acceptable or right. That could be very well what's happened, but all it is, is explaining why. It still makes them look really poor in how they've handled it. He should have had a deadline and that was it. Mind, until we see whoever gets job, can they bring own staff and will they be backed, we still don't know the real answer to that side of it, which then answers more questions.
 
samaistonsrightfoot said:
Reduced autonomy - Less say in transfers etc. Must play Jobe.
Probably low wages - we’ve one of the lowest bills in the league
Staffing limitations - must have Proctor and Dodds
Bit if a history of being erratic with managers - Beale lasted a couple month and we’ve now had 5 in 3 year. 1 left complaining about the above factors. One was sacked shortly after complaining about transfers/automomy. One was sacked in a playoff position.

We’ve been after a manager for months and ended up with one (if it’s Rosenior) down the list who’s only ended up in the running because he’s been sacked a month ago and we don’t even seem like we wanted him then but not been left with much other choice now.
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Hard to argue with any of that.
Except I suppose, that it hasn’t happened yet!
 
The Situation said:
You could probably find examples of a goal like that for every club in the division, including Rotherham, over the course of a season mind.

The style of football doesn't necessarily bother me to be honest. As long as it's well laid out, the players are well drilled, prepared and know what's expected of them, that's more important IMO.

However, the fact he couldn't get a side with the goalscorer of that goal, Fabio Carvalho (arguably the best player in the league), into the playoffs after only winning 3 of his last 13 games to end the season is more damning.

It would be a poor appointment that is clearly plan F at this point.
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Well worth noting that last season was a very strong division like. The top 4 getting at least mid 80s, with the top 3 getting 90+ which only leaves two play off spots.

You look at the overall strength of the team (not just one individual), and I don’t think it’s clear cut that Hull were stronger overall compared to West Brom & Norwich. You could even argue Boro & Coventry are stronger teams/squads overall, who Hull finished ahead of.

Carvalho was a big fan of Rosenior from what I read, potentially meaning we’d be trusted with quality loans like we were with Mowbray.

I’d be happy with Rosenior.
 
I thought Rosenoir was unlucky to be sacked by Hull. Yes, Hull were poor up here but they had a bit of an injury crisis and he made them hard to beat which is all you can do in the circumstances. He speaks well on TV.

He may turn out to be good or bad but that's the same as all coach / manager including Still etc.

We need better players and especially a decent striker to compete but that's not down to the coach.
 
mackemglastoid said:
Exactly right.
Good Coaches are in work.
Maybe pay compensation to get the right man? Allow the right man to bring in their own assistant and backroom staff and give them the funds to bring in the right players. Give a decent Coach the right tools to do their job and the right environment to work in and we might actually go somewhere. The interview process works two ways. We have to be an attractive proposition and show potential coaches that we are ambitious and want to get back to the Premier League.
The current set up and terms and conditions attached to the job is clearly putting good people off and you can hardly blame them. There should be no shortage of decent candidates yet once they pull back the layers and see what's going on they run a mile. The last 3 Coaches have all had the same issues.
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Absolutely mate, yes we are short of decent candidates, we remain a huge club, sadly because of how we are being ran and the perception of our DOF, so called model and a lack of ambition in the transfer market is proof as to why we are at in the recruitment of the most important man we are going to employ.
 
I think Rosenior would be ok, but he wouldn’t exactly get the pulses racing. Tbf, nor did Neil or Mowbray.

I was never overly convinced by Still mind, I worried he was a bit of a hype job, a lot of it coming from himself. It’s clear he was our number one target though.

My main concern is not with Rosenior himself, but our inability to secure our main target on two occasions.

Either the £ isn’t right, they won’t have enough say over transfers, the recruitment policy isn’t for them, or they can’t bring in their support staff, or any combination of the above.

I think the dogmatic approach of the ownership group and Speakman will be their downfall. They seem utterly convinced they can nickel and dime their way to promotion, and I just don’t see it.
 
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