Indeed. We don't need any more complications for this one though. He is in an offside position when the ball is played to him.
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VAR has ruined top level football.
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I’m happy that the correct decision was reached because I wouldn’t want to see another 50 years of turmoil aimed in our direction. 
ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK
Winger
Some daft knacker has looked at a shit quality image which is also from a photo of someone's TV and the image has been blurred loads. The bit above the boot in simply a square marker of the upright part of the VAR lines, nowt more yet some gullibles who saw the tweet will actually believe VAR have drawn the line over Bissaka's boot
I guess Bissaka's socks are also luminous given the glow around them and are those white high black heel shoes he's wearing or could it be that the definition of this image is all over the place? 
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This onme below isn't perfect but it's a better quality image of what the lines look like on VAR's monitor. You can see the bottom squares overlap the lines but it's not as badly distorted as the above image. I see this image has even made the Daily Mail now so @dangermows wil hoy a thread up soon.
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This is the frame before which is similar to VAR. Somewhere between this frame and the one @dangermows hoyed up is the precise gazillisecond the ball was 1st touched. However given both players feet are being used and both of their feet have barely moved then it's pretty safe to presume that he was offside.
As for it being a mm/toenail, follow the lines to the gap near the linesman and use his size to see that it was nowhere near, just like the other image.
It's just the simple fact the lines are made thicker to give the advantage and people can't see the actual 'gap', especially when the image is of poor quality, unlike the HD screens VAR use. This is another thing some can't quite grasp as the further away they are the smaller the gap looks as viewing perspective can trick the eye. This is an even wilder example of how viewing perspective can distort things.
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molthemackem
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On the advice of the Armchair ref.. There were two last weekend that the match commentators stated just before the ref gave the decision.. Manu for one.
ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK
Winger
The daylight thing some mention has certainly never been the law at any time and aye an attacker could simply put his foot level with the defender yet stand behind him on a free kick.
Again, your definition of 'contradicting a previous decision' is purely subjective. You think you can invent a handball rule that means 100% universal agreement on each handball incident? Good luck with that.
OHare hasn't even played the ball in that image.Some daft knacker has looked at a shit quality image which is also from a photo of someone's TV and the image has been blurred loads. The bit above the boot in simply a square marker of the upright part of the VAR lines, nowt more yet some gullibles who saw the tweet will actually believe VAR have drawn the line over Bissaka's boot
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This onme below isn't perfect but it's a better quality image of what the lines look like on VAR's monitor. You can see the bottom squares overlap the lines but it's not as badly distorted as the above image. I see this image has even made the Daily Mail now so @dangermows wil hoy a thread up soon.
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This is the frame before which is similar to VAR. Somewhere between this frame and the one @dangermows hoyed up is the precise gazillisecond the ball was 1st touched. However given both players feet are being used and both of their feet have barely moved then it's pretty safe to presume that he was offside.
As for it being a mm/toenail, follow the lines to the gap near the linesman and use his size to see that it was nowhere near, just like the other image.
It's just the simple fact the lines are made thicker to give the advantage and people can't see the actual 'gap', especially when the image is of poor quality, unlike the HD screens VAR use. This is another thing some can't quite grasp as the further away they are the smaller the gap looks as viewing perspective can trick the eye. This is an even wilder example of how viewing perspective can distort things.
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PTR
Striker
apologies if this has been covered in the 26 pages, but at the thickness of the line in question, the actual frame rate where the ball is first touched by the forward pass is surely an order of magnitude higher error margin?
I was all for VAR to correct obvious mistakes where the ref would have called it different if they'd seen it - but absolutely not for miniscule "factually correct" decisions, which is how it has been implemented.
Said ages ago that its only a matter of time before goals stop being celebrated - more like winning a penalty and half celebrating, then only half celebrating the penalty being scored - which absolutely steals the utterly best moment that exists in the sport.
Hugh Gains
Striker
I think it’s more so the fact that var has killed the game in the sense that and the ref put his flag up immediately, as in the past this wouldn’t have transpired. No one can argue that it isn’t a fun sponge.
I’m all pro var and video reviews but I just feel that they’ve been so ridiculous when implement the tech. Like this clear and obvious error nonsense, the ref and the people on the var room should be all on the same side. Why are they using the gear and can see it’s a red card, pen, offside etc but then not correcting the ref because they can see why he didn’t give it?
Why he did or didn’t give it should t factor into the decision at all, it’s about the correct decision, not saving face.
Furthermore a doing obvious conflicts of interest, forest claim a Luton fan was on var, whether true or not, it’s a simple win not to have put themselves in that position in the first place.
Tech works seamlessly in other sports, is football is more continuous and less stop start, but not on can argue that other sports opened tech into their sports whilst football has tried to be different, a quasi human-tech hybrid and it’s bitten them in the face multiple times.
Some formative examples this season include the doku foul on macallister for most minute pen, it’s a clear pen.
The grealish handball wasn’t given in Saturday but the wan bissaka one on Sunday was. They either both are, or both aren’t. At the best least the decisions are flipped.
Additionally the offside rule in combo with var is not for purpose. No one can say wright was definitely offside and ultimately it’s that close why are we going to milimetres, offside was brought in to prevent goal hanging, not toe nails. Yes 30cm etc but milimetres, haway.
There’s a doing the rounds from the other angle and I fail to see how it’s offside, I know he’s off screen
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Hendon Mad Frog
Winger
No, it's not purely subjective, because many decisions were objectively wrong on review.
Again, I didn't think we could have a binary handball rule, you had that explained to you.
You continue to believe that VAR works because "no two incidents are 100% the same". What a f***ing stupid thing to say man, like we're living in parallel universes
ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK
Winger
Read what I've said again about comparing the 2 images.
Surely you don't believe that in the milliseconds between the 1st image showing Haji Wright clearly offside that he transported himself onside and then back offside again in the 2nd image that is well after the ball is played?
He is offside yes. Well done Lino, well done PGMOL, praise the good lord for VAR. Now that we are getting these minute, autocratic calls absolutely spot on, I’m sure the game of professional football is all the better for it. Back slapping all around I say.
Except it isn’t, is it? It actually looks, feels and smells very very shit. Along with the whole PSL points deduction debacle, Football at the top of the pyramid in this country is becoming an absolute farce.
hellawbestpizza2
Midfield
herra soul mob
Striker
imagine if you were a Coventry fan and ran on to pitch to celebrate, wonder if you get your arrest rescinded ?
I'm really not sure whether I would enjoy VAR week in, week out, but aren't we all in favour of the officials getting the decisions correct? The linesman didn't get that one correct and Coventry would've been awarded a goal that shouldn't have counted. It would have made for a thrilling end to this particular game but it would've incorrect nonetheless. I wouldn't want Sunderland to have been on the wrong end of that incorrect decision.
The first image doesn't show him "clearly" offside.
No, it's not purely subjective, because many decisions were objectively wrong on review.
Again, I didn't think we could have a binary handball rule, you had that explained to you.
You continue to believe that VAR works because "no two incidents are 100% the same". What a f***ing stupid thing to say man, like we're living in parallel universes
I never said 'it works'.
All the hallmarks of someone getting upset are there.
The abusive language.
The laughy face.
Making up things that haven't been said.
I'll leave it there.
ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK
Winger
Means nowt as this is the other angle of a freeze frame with that video inserted. It's simply down to Bissaka running back quicker than Wright when the ball was played. Over that brief time Bissaka has covered 3 yards in that time (he was halfway between dark green image in VAR image and they're 6 yards long)
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Eggman
Striker
The whole thing is farcical and making things worse for the fan in the ground.
Two points - the lines they draw on the frozen image has a certain width to it, so which side of the line do you use ? Secondly, how do they determine the ‘frames’ they use, because there is a natural jump between each one what is to say you’d come to a different decision if you could actually see that missing ‘frame’ ?
Two points - the lines they draw on the frozen image has a certain width to it, so which side of the line do you use ? Secondly, how do they determine the ‘frames’ they use, because there is a natural jump between each one what is to say you’d come to a different decision if you could actually see that missing ‘frame’ ?
ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK
Winger
Am I being whoosed here? You do know how offside works don't you and there's a clear gap between Bissaka and Wright. Again look at the gap near the linesman to get some perspective on what I mean by clear.
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