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Yann M'vila - target or not?


Dobblemackem said:
Just being honest, you used to be alrite, but noticed recently you’ve became a total elevenereef.

Everton can do no wrong, and you’re so much bigger and better than everyone else, especially where players are concerned. You’d think your mob win the league every season given the way you go on.
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Being honest ? Did hundreds of you start a WhatsApp group on how no one likes me ?

It’s a football forum I’m not here to make mates for life … Prob been to many more Sunderland games than you over 40yr 🤣
 
xmfd said:
if he goes to West Brom and we weren’t interested

It’s proof the model’s immediate aim isn’t to get promoted yet

We are developing the young players above all else right now - we will probably continue to do so until we’ve sold a few of them, and we have made enough money to then go out and “go for it” (I hope this is the long term plan)

Having Mvila now wouldn’t be in line with this. It would slow down the progression of our young players and thus slow down the progression of our club.
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Spot on.
Progressing the careers and sale value of a handful of youngsters is more important to the current ownership group at the moment than progressing the club. Obviously a case can be made that successful reinvestment of the money raised by the sale of those handful of youngsters will also help to progress the club. But as me da used to say:”if it was that easy everyone would be doing it”.
 
xmfd said:
if he goes to West Brom and we weren’t interested

It’s proof the model’s immediate aim isn’t to get promoted yet

We are developing the young players above all else right now - we will probably continue to do so until we’ve sold a few of them, and we have made enough money to then go out and “go for it” (I hope this is the long term plan)

Having Mvila now wouldn’t be in line with this. It would slow down the progression of our young players and thus slow down the progression of our club.
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The truth.
 
riffraff said:
Spot on.
Progressing the careers and sale value of a handful of youngsters is more important to the current ownership group at the moment than progressing the club. Obviously a case can be made that successful reinvestment of the money raised by the sale of those handful of youngsters will also help to progress the club. But as me da used to say:”if it was that easy everyone would be doing it”.
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Patience is the difficult bit.
 
The Beautiful Game said:
Developing the young players would be easier, from my perspective, if there was more experience in the dressing room rather than playing them constantly when they’re out of form or fitness and destroying their confidence.

Look at Brighton with lallana, welbeck, Milner etc.
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Agree with you mate but they're doing it their way. To be fair ,they know a lot more about the subject than we do, and so far you can't say it hasn't worked (with some major mistakes thrown in)

Also, if MVila plays, we then have got one of Neil, Ekwah or Jobe missing out. This is not what they want. For better or for worse, we'll see.
 
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If we're interested in progressing the careers of our players why have we played Burstow so many times instead of our own young players or ageing youngster Rusyn ( I once saw Paul Thirlwell given that description ). FTM
 
Bear said:
Being honest ? Did hundreds of you start a WhatsApp group on how no one likes me ?

It’s a football forum I’m not here to make mates for life … Prob been to many more Sunderland games than you over 40yr 🤣
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WhatsApp wtf are you talking about?

You do realise I’m nearly 40 myself and have had a season ticket for the majority of my life?
 
Dobblemackem said:
Think it will tell us a lot. If he goes there and shows the class some of us think he will, it ends the argument a lot seem to have about him being too old, and the club being right not to sign him.

If he’s shit, then those of us who championed the deal to Sunderland acknowledge the club were correct.

Let’s see…
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I’m in the “we should have got if if affordable” camp.

Hoping by posting my honest opinion he’ll end up being sh*t for them
 
Marko said:
If we're interested in progressing the careers of our players why have we played Burstow so many times instead of our own young players or ageing youngster Rusyn ( I once saw Paul Thirlwell given that description ). FTM
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We probably have to pay a higher percentage of wages or a higher loan fee if he doesn’t play X amount/ percentage of games.

I saw similar reported with Fulham’s loan of Broja from Chelsea.

So as always it’s boils down to £££.
 
riffraff said:
Spot on.
Progressing the careers and sale value of a handful of youngsters is more important to the current ownership group at the moment than progressing the club. Obviously a case can be made that successful reinvestment of the money raised by the sale of those handful of youngsters will also help to progress the club. But as me da used to say:”if it was that easy everyone would be doing it”.
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It's not easy though, that's the route Stewie D took, the biggest budget, experienced players who had won that league. What we have is an ambition of thought and strategy, no one would have liked Yann here more than myself, I think he fits what is required so perfectly in a way that is seldom ever available but the club don't obviously. I wouldn't swap him for what we are attempting.
 
Coeus said:
It's not easy though, that's the route Stewie D took, the biggest budget, experienced players who had won that league. What we have is an ambition of thought and strategy, no one would have liked Yann here more than myself, I think he fits what is required so perfectly in a way that is seldom ever available but the club don't obviously. I wouldn't swap him for what we are attempting.
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Very few people would expect us to completely scrap the strategy or buzzword “model” but even in its infancy there was experience mixed in with bringing the youngens in. Mvila seemed to fit that mould perfectly, especially with Pritch going.
 
Dobblemackem said:
Very few people would expect us to completely scrap the strategy or buzzword “model” but even in its infancy there was experience mixed in with bringing the youngens in. Mvila seemed to fit that mould perfectly, especially with Pritch going.
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I dont disagree, to my mind he fit perfectly but the club has done plenty that I've disagreed with and it turned out better than my preference would have, I think. They don't appear to believe a proper dm is required for one reason or another which I find very odd but if that's the case then we can hardly be surprised he hasn't rocked up. Sad but ill see how he gets on should he go to West Brom prior to casting aspersions that I understand all the factors better than the man in charge.
 
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