The ref (see PGMOL thread)

[soapster]

He could easily have had at least a couple of yellows with a different ref, when you look back at Neils 2nd yellow Crooks telling the ref to fuck off in his face earlier in the game and just being waved away seems laughable.

I have just watched it back for the first time.

On the 32nd minute of the game, when Jones was booked for the foul. The camera span away from the ref after he booked Jones.
The sky commentator then said the ref had shown 2 yellows, one to Jones and the other in the direction of Greenwood and Coburn. The yellow sticker came up for Jones but not for the other yellow.
On dan neils foul, he remonstrated with his arms and immediately stopped and started to run back up the pitch to get into position, still mouthing off. He did not run to the ref and the ref ran towards him. It looked as though Dan was annoyed at another fould on clark a minute earlier.
with the Ballard foul, the camera was a fair distance away and it looked like a clumsy challenge on Ballard. the melee broke out, I think it was Hume who grabbed Coburns shirt and that was when Coburn made the head butt motion.
When they showed the reply to investigate the incident, they only showed the camera on the halfway line after the challenge and the melee start.
I know what I saw was an elbow to Ballards throat.
Sky could easily clear this all if they wanted, but they dont.

 

[AC Mack]

I have just watched it back for the first time.

On the 32nd minute of the game, when Jones was booked for the foul. The camera span away from the ref after he booked Jones.
The sky commentator then said the ref had shown 2 yellows, one to Jones and the other in the direction of Greenwood and Coburn. The yellow sticker came up for Jones but not for the other yellow.
On dan neils foul, he remonstrated with his arms and immediately stopped and started to run back up the pitch to get into position, still mouthing off. He did not run to the ref and the ref ran towards him. It looked as though Dan was annoyed at another fould on clark a minute earlier.
with the Ballard foul, the camera was a fair distance away and it looked like a clumsy challenge on Ballard. the melee broke out, I think it was Hume who grabbed Coburns shirt and that was when Coburn made the head butt motion.
When they showed the reply to investigate the incident, they only showed the camera on the halfway line after the challenge and the melee start.
I know what I saw was an elbow to Ballards throat.
Sky could easily clear this all if they wanted, but they dont.

The yellow sticker came up for Greenwood too. I quoted earlier the commentator directly acknowledging it.

 

[Butcher's Coat]

Shirt pulls were the more obvious inconsistancy, multiple on Clarke allowed to go unpunished against the laws of the game (he gave fouls so clearly saw them) but as soon as Roberts does one he remembers the new directive and books him, ridiculous.

We were committing shirt pulls as well mind.

 

[Flavonoids]

The yellow sticker came up for Greenwood too. I quoted earlier the commentator directly acknowledging it.

Is there anywhere post match that shows that Greenwood was booked?

 

[Missplaced Childhood]

So are we saying you have to pull a shirt in a certain way to receive a card

No mate i guess it was up to how Mr Gillet felt at that particular moment

We were committing shirt pulls as well mind.

We were and Roberts was booked for the 1st one we did.

 

[AC Mack]

Is there anywhere post match that shows that Greenwood was booked?

Apparently not.

 

[Butcher's Coat]

We were and Roberts was booked for the 1st one we did.

And the ones by O'Nien and Ballard went unpunished

 

[Missplaced Childhood]

And the ones by O'Nien and Ballard went unpunished

Exactly my point about the whole inconsistancy of Gillets performance, what was an offence one minute was not the next, im not saying he was biased just lost and massively out of control of the game in the way he applied the rules.

 

[soapster]

The yellow sticker came up for Greenwood too. I quoted earlier the commentator directly acknowledging it.

You are absolutely correct. I watched it at normal speed instead of fast forward and indeed it comes up.
The commentator confirmed it was for dissent and added that Greenwoods Dad was in the away end for the match.
Dont sky have a rep on the halfway line in order to update via subsitutions etc.
there has to be a rabbit away here

 

[Voice of fair play]

Having had 5 days to reflect on my OP. I’m still of the opinion the ref is an absolute prick who I hope doesn’t take charge of one of our games again.

In fact, I hope he doesn’t officiate in the English leagues again. It’ll only be a matter of time before he completely spoils another game of football with his inconsistency and bizarre decision making.

Bizarre ignorant post based of seeing him for one game and hear say of a couple other.

With absolutely no idea whatsoever how he has performed in 95% of his other games.

What a absolute stupid way to assess somebody or anybody in any industry.

 

[1879]

Bizarre ignorant post based of seeing him for one game and hear say of a couple other.

With absolutely no idea whatsoever how he has performed in 95% of his other games.

What an absolute stupid way to assess somebody or anybody in any industry.

Well I’m entitled to my opinion. Hope he’s not allowed to spoil another game through the incompetence he displayed on Saturday.

If I was as shit or underperformed to that extent in my job (as in most walks of life) I’d expect to be disciplined or receive a formal warning.

So the last bit of your post doesn’t really add credibility to you defending him.

 

[Voice of fair play]

Well I’m entitled to my opinion. Hope he’s not allowed to spoil another game through the incompetence he displayed on Saturday.

If I was as shit or underperformed to that extent in my job (as in most walks of life) I’d expect to be disciplined or receive a formal warning.

So the last bit of your post doesn’t really add credibility to you defending him.

So do you think to have a good idea how good anybody is at their profession you need to see them more than once?

Surely to have a strong opinion on whether somebody is good at something it’s better to know how they performed a number of times ti make a fair assessment?

If I see a footballer have a horrendous game this Saturday does that mind he should be dropped for the rest of this season or do we need to see his others game before saying that?

It’s just common sense to make a fair assessment of somebody’s capabilities you need to see them perform a number of times.

 

[herra soul mob]

my take on it is after watching highlights for first time -

I would have sent Neil off for the foul he got booked for, studs far too high and reckless - I watched ref reach for back pocket where some refs do keep red, and thought here we go, fortunately just a yellow. Think the ref was having second thoughts about not sending him off so any discrepancy ( however minor ) by Neil would see him get booked ergo red card. Hence a second yellow for basically fk all.
I would have also sent Coburn off for the elbow and amazed ref/lino and 4th official missed it ( or didn't consider it a red card ) .

 

[Chewit]

First booking was no doubt a red , if it had been against us we would be adding it to the list of the refs fuck ups .
That being said two wrongs dont make a right and the ultimate sending off was petty and constructive from an absolute apology of a human being who can have no excuse for continued existence in his role.

I didn’t think the first booking was a red. Simply because it was at low speed, he was not out of control and there was little chance of the player being injured as a consequence. Watching it in slow motion is therefore deceiving

 

[rab]

Bizarre ignorant post based of seeing him for one game and hear say of a couple other.

With absolutely no idea whatsoever how he has performed in 95% of his other games.

What a absolute stupid way to assess somebody or anybody in any industry.

He has refereed three PL games and issued 13 yellows and one red. Add the 6 yellows and one red from our game it suggests he loves a card. His lack of consistency doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in his decision making

 

[1879]

So do you think to have a good idea how good anybody is at their profession you need to see them more than once?

Surely to have a strong opinion on whether somebody is good at something it’s better to know how they performed a number of times ti make a fair assessment?

If I see a footballer have a horrendous game this Saturday does that mind he should be dropped for the rest of this season or do we need to see his others game before saying that?

It’s just common sense to make a fair assessment of somebody’s capabilities you need to see them perform a number of times.

Hopefully I don’t have to endure another performance from him.

I go to the match to watch the players and to enjoy football. The referee should go unnoticed, as the game isn’t about them.

Yet here we are nearly a week later still talking about him and his shit performance.

He has refereed three PL games and issued 13 yellows and one red. Add the 6 yellows and one red from our game it suggests he loves a card. His lack of consistency doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in his decision making

Some interesting stats there, I don’t tend to watch a lot of PL or non Sunlun games for that matter.

 

[Silky]

He has refereed three PL games and issued 13 yellows and one red. Add the 6 yellows and one red from our game it suggests he loves a card. His lack of consistency doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in his decision making

See earlier posts, we are not really sure how many yellow cards he issued on Satda, as the official record does not appear to include all the ones people saw him give. Make of that what you like, but to me it makes a seemingly blundering performance look highly irregular. Hope somebody somewhere is taking a good look at the betting patterns.

 

[1879]

See earlier posts, we are not really sure how many yellow cards he issued on Satda, as the official record does not appear to include all the ones people saw him give. Make of that what you like, but to me it makes a seemingly blundering performance look highly irregular. Hope somebody somewhere is taking a good look at the betting patterns.

Surely there is somewhere of checking/safeguarding against this?

You’d hate to think that sort of thing was happening especially in games we’ve been involved in

 

[Silky]

Surely there is somewhere of checking/safeguarding against this?

You’d hate to think that sort of thing was happening especially in games we’ve been involved in

I would hope that EFL or FA monitor such things. I would also hope that if they do, they can rule out anything untoward happened at the weekend. Somebody on here might know if there is active monitoring, but I guess we will never know if something has been ruled out, we'll only know if they find something fishy. It has happened in other European leagues, higher levels than the Championship even.

I have no idea why things went the way they did in the last game. but nearly 70 pages about the ref must be some kind of record even for SMB/PF, so that in itself tells you it was at the very least the most contentious refereeing performance since we dropped out of the PL. And that is saying something with the almost weekly low standards we saw in L1. Also worth noting is the usual ref defenders have only been vocal on this thread to defend refereeing in general, and have barely commented on any specific incidents.

 

[Voice of fair play]

He has refereed three PL games and issued 13 yellows and one red. Add the 6 yellows and one red from our game it suggests he loves a card. His lack of consistency doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in his decision making

Does it not depend whether instances warranted in yellow cards or do we just assume without watching them other games he loves a card?

I mean hway let’s base judgement of actually watching games than assumption based of stats

I would hope that EFL or FA monitor such things. I would also hope that if they do, they can rule out anything untoward happened at the weekend. Somebody on here might know if there is active monitoring, but I guess we will never know if something has been ruled out, we'll only know if they find something fishy. It has happened in other European leagues, higher levels than the Championship even.

I have no idea why things went the way they did in the last game. but nearly 70 pages about the ref must be some kind of record even for SMB/PF, so that in itself tells you it was at the very least the most contentious refereeing performance since we dropped out of the PL. And that is saying something with the almost weekly low standards we saw in L1. Also worth noting is the usual ref defenders have only been vocal on this thread to defend refereeing in general, and have barely commented on any specific incidents.

As your last point I have said several times he has had a bad game and missed them slecfic instances.

But in any sport be it official or a player before dropping someone you have to put things into context and look at overall performances both good and bad before doing that, just simply logical and fair imo.

As for things been untoward or ‘fishy’ sorry but I find that absolutely nonsense, it was a Middlesbrough Sunderland game refereed by a Australian, what sensible motive would there be or reason for there to be anything other then he had a bad game.

It is the over the ridiculous over the too way people look at things nowadays at football.

The most rational and sensible way to look at things is tbf and recognize the ref had a bad game.

That’s it no more no less