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The ref (see PGMOL thread)

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mackemglastoid said:
Totally spoilt what was shaping up to be a good game like. Wanker.
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He wanted to make it about him. 40k there? On the telly? He’s thought, ‘I’m going to show that I take no shit’ then proceeded to completely bottle the second half.

Greenwood should’ve been off if he’s applying the letter of the law, so should Jones, Crooks should’ve been booked 5 times before half time.

But everyone is talking about him now. Hope the TikTok followers are worth it, you stupid Aussie kernt
 

EternallySAFC said:
I think he thinks Neil is walking aggressively towards him. He maybe didn't consider Neil was heading back to his position on the pitch. It's an awful decision. No game would finish with 11v11 if that's a yellow.
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Quite a few on here seem to think that too despite being able to watch it now. Doubling down
 
wilkostacticsboard said:
Not that it will do any good but surely a complaint has to go in and a request for him never to ref us again.

The Colburn elbow and attempted headbutt he missed are just as bad as the Dan Neil decision for me. Wasn't even watching the game he just wanted to get off for half time.
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Exactly what I’ve asked the ref sympathisers numerous times and not one of them have replied.
If swearing is a yellow card I have no complaints about Neil getting sent off IF that decision is applied consistently but it isn’t.
How was Greenwood not given a second yellow for the awful challenge on Seelt or the dive?
Why was Roberts booked for a shirt pull when no one was booked for the numerous shirt pulls on Clarke?
Wheres the consistency, the smug look on the refs face when he sent Neil off was annoying too when ONein is speaking to him.
 
Refs should be made to go in front of cameras like players and managers to explain their decisions. A lot of people spend their hard earned cash to watch football and when they’re cheated out of half of it then they should be explained as to why. Refs although have a hard job are mollycoddled by the referees association. I suspect nothing will happen to him and along with many fans I hope the club ask for him not to ref anymore of our games thus making it an issue the they cannot hide from
 
journeyman said:
Refs should be made to go in front of cameras like players and managers to explain their decisions. A lot of people spend their hard earned cash to watch football and when they’re cheated out of half of it then they should be explained as to why. Refs although have a hard job are mollycoddled by the referees association. I suspect nothing will happen to him and along with many fans I hope the club ask for him not to ref anymore of our games thus making it an issue the they cannot hide from
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Ddin't realise teams were allowed to that. If we did, we go straight into the refs organisation 'bad books'
 
Absolute disgraceful referee. Literally spoilt the game and clearly is a man utd fan and had posters of Carrick on his wall. So f***ing annoying that he spoilt the game but Dan Neil needs to realise you can’t moan at refs when on a yellow
 
My stance has hardened on tbis .
At first I was inclined to have some sympathy with the view that Neil was stupid to take a risk by speaking when alrrady booked.
However those people are speaking with the benefit of hindsight.
A risk is assessed on what has happened before and as hundreds of thousands of footballers have done what Neil did with zero consequences it is extremely harsh to expect him to know that we had a super sensitive oficial in charge.
 
As an Australian I apologise for the ref's performance. It did not surprise me as he showed here he is poor. He has an arrogant attitude and seems to pick a winning team and officiate that way. Always has been inconsistent where foul play is concerned.
 
Two things really, really pissing me off about this. All evidence points to this ref being a total and utter jobsworth. Looking at the evidence, he tells Mowbray and Carrick he’s going to show empathy, given the occasion, point one. We then have video evidence in the past of him, being micd up for the cameras for Var.

There’s videos showing him doing very similar to another player who had been booked to make a point despite there being other players round him showing a higher level of dissent, but he chose the player who was to make a point. In the same passage of play Hume does probably worse than Neil.

However Neil is the one on the yellow card, so the ref being the jobsworth he is, steps up and does exactly what a person of his nature does. You get people like this in life, however in my opinion, they should not be a referee of football. It’s about consistency, and overall fairness, however he’s clearly one of those people who’s in it for Himself and will regularly do stuff like this to show how good he is to the powers that be.

I hope and pray we don’t get him at the sol again, because all the evidence points to him repeating this, and whilst it could be in our favour, it may not be again.

Point 2 is the consistency, as I’ve said he’s clearly a jobsworth, all the evidence shows this. He’s made his big headline gesture, and will be so quick to go back to his bosses to make the point of him doing it. However what isn’t acknowledged is everything else that happened that was just ignored as far as a person of his nature is concerned he’d ticked his box.

Nothing done about an elbow, nothing done about the pull back, nothing done about the diving, nothing done about the persistent fouling, nothing done about goading the crowd, no foul on Patterson despite it being worse than the two he gave to the boro keeper. The list goes on and on.

I’m not excusing our pathetic performance after going down to 10, boro deserved their win, however this absolute wanker of a bloke, should be removed completely from refereeing for everyone’s sake. It’s not sour grapes, it’s the evidence that points to him not being cut out for this role. I just hope we don’t see him again, and would love it if the bloke was removed from the job all together, so that this can’t happen anywhere else in the country.

A referee needs to be fair and consistent, it’s not about him and getting further in his career which is exactly what a jobsworth always does.
 
I wonder how much he was willing to accept from Michael Carrick who frankly has lived of his name and profile for years. Was it £20? £30? £50? Or was it a fiver and a night with Carrick missus?
 
Neil should have been off anyway mind. Thought as much in real time and having just watched the slow-mos again it was an absolute shocker and the wrong decision by the referee. If he had been sent off for that I can't see anyone on here having any complaints. Whether or not that has had any influence on the refs decision to send him off later on..who knows. Poor performance all round from the officials.
 
Sporty said:
I don't think there needs to be contact for it to be a red. I think it's the action of doing something that endangers the safety of an opponent that is the offence.

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Watching it again he's even off the deck also as he lunges in and keeps his right foot up showing his studs with a straight leg nowhere near the ball, which we all know he shouldn't be doing so why would he do it? As I said, I don't think players even need to make contact but if Neil did make contact then all his weight would be going through his raised foot so you can imagine what would happen if he caught a standing leg.

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A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play.

Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.
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That looks a straight red to me.

Got away massively with that one. If he had any common sense or intelligence he’d have spent the rest of the game hiding from the ref.
 
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