VARguments

[AC Mack]

Have a read of Polls book.

Pretty obvious point: We aren’t a big club in the way that PL refs recognise Liverpool and Utd players. L1 refs won’t recognise our L1 players. Their players are in every newspaper in the land everyday, ours aren’t. The refs are weak and starstruck.
Read Polls book.

Spot on. Hes happy to have these mistakes, he must be as he doesn’t want an attempt made to eliminate them.

Can we not fix refs weakness AND players cheating?
Read Polls book.

Belgian refs head blown off in Portugal sorry. He’d fixed a Forest UEFA game.

Tell that to the folk on here who think it.

 

[Vicham]

That decision to rule out the Arsenal goal yesterday made absolutely no sense. How can it be clear and obvious when you cannot see the position of a defender and cannot draw a line?

 

[Mackem00]

That decision to rule out the Arsenal goal yesterday made absolutely no sense. How can it be clear and obvious when you cannot see the position of a defender and cannot draw a line?

I hate VAR but seemed a fair decision to me.

 

[Vicham]

I hate VAR but seemed a fair decision to me.

I'm not saying he wasn't offside. I will also agree that he did seem offside. I'm saying there was no proof, which is what VAR is there to provide and act on. No proof means not clear and obvious which means no ruling out the ref's decision.

VAR should not be there to make decisions on assumptions and what seems to be correct.

 

[What A Waster]

That decision to rule out the Arsenal goal yesterday made absolutely no sense. How can it be clear and obvious when you cannot see the position of a defender and cannot draw a line?

Clear and obvious doesn't come into it with offside.
You're either on or off. Same as the ball is either over the line or not.

Clear and obvious is only brought in for other decisions - a foul or handball which the ref has missed for example. The VAR on the mic will say 'what have you seen there?' The ref will say 'player X has fairly tackled player Y'.
If on the replays with multiple cameras it is clear that it is a foul and an obvious error by the ref the VAR will say you've got this wrong mate, it's a foul.

 

[Vicham]

Clear and obvious doesn't come into it with offside.
You're either on or off. Same as the ball is either over the line or not.

Clear and obvious is only brought in for other decisions - a foul or handball which the ref has missed for example. The VAR on the mic will say 'what have you seen there?' The ref will say 'player X has fairly tackled player Y'.
If on the replays with multiple cameras it is clear that it is a foul and an obvious error by the ref the VAR will say you've got this wrong mate, it's a foul.

Fair point, sounds very sensible. Still, there was no proof whether he was on or off.

 

[journeyman]

Fair point, sounds very sensible. Still, there was no proof whether he was on or off.

Looking across the line that bbc showed today was proof he was off, var officials see the same line

 

[parsonjohn1985]

Should just make it like NFL.

Ref makes all the decisions as previous but each team has 1 contest to a decision per half. If they wish to appeal a decision. If it turns out they're correct they keep the contest. If incorrect they lose it.

The nfl has horrendous issues of the refs influencing the games strongly.

 

[Hardyman's Yugo]

For offside decisions VAR has been very good imho, it’s taken away the endless post match arguments by managers about how hard done by they were, referees a disgrace etc.

Some of the decisions made by the referees sitting watching the TV have been poor though. My biggest bug bear atm is fouls leading to penalties, a huge amount of these are attacking players conning everyone by leaving their leg out, diving etc. The Everton penalties v Burnley in mid week being a case in point

 

[jarrowdiamond]

Can't wait to hear from Webb about this calamity.

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[Mackem00]

Typical Liverpool. Always getting the breaks, etc.

 

[garyeaststand]

Getting to the point where it’s got to be questioned if it’s doing any good for the game, losing the spontaneous celebrations is enough to sack it off for me but when they consistently getting it wrong defeats the object of it

 

[JL1985]

Howard Webb is a moron. He’s probably been Man Utd best signing this summer.

 

[Oli Wagkz]

It hasn’t stopped clear and obvious mistakes. Needs done away with.

 

[Smartin]

Can't wait to hear from Webb about this calamity.

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….. im glad these two bell ends aren’t on sky anymore.

 

[jarrowdiamond]

It hasn’t stopped clear and obvious mistakes. Needs done away with.

I'm leaning towards this now. It was supposed to make the game fair, allow everyone to come away knowing that the result they have just seen was a fair one, it's actually gotten worse.

 

[parsonjohn1985]

I'm leaning towards this now. It was supposed to make the game fair, allow everyone to come away knowing that the result they have just seen was a fair one, it's actually gotten worse.

Goal line technology has been a success. Everything else absolutely has not been

 

[jarrowdiamond]

….. im glad these two bell ends aren’t on sky anymore.

Mind you, sky haven't even questioned it or looked at it, at least these two have.

Goal line technology has been a success. Everything else absolutely has not been

Yeah, that's the only thing that's been a good addition.

 

[dangermows]

Bring back Keysy and Graysy

 

[beezer]

The only thing I can think happened tonight is that the VAR ref has quickly looked at the Liverpool forward being ahead of the nearest defender and called it offside without looking at the defender at the bottom of the screen. It’s that bad it can only be human error.

If we’re still having human errors then it’s not working, and not specifically this instance, but there still seems an element of human bias in the var room which is incredibly frustrating too.