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Danielle McGahey - First trans cricketer to play ICC status match


I am Boss said:
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I am assuming the members of the board will hold a variety of opinions on the matter

I’m a big supporter of the women’s game and I’m conflicted on this one. I usually find the reaction to trans women in sport to be blown out of proportion, and while I don’t think there’s a safety concern in cricket, I’ve looked at some of her scorecards where she has twatted the opposition around. Averaged just shy of 70 in 2022. So a competitive issue perhaps could arise.
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40 years ago at school as a boy not strong enough to make it in boys cricket at trials for county clubs, I used to joke if I put a wig on and lipstick and balloons down my top I would be the greatest and fastest womens bowler in the world probably bowled at faster speed than a womens fastest ball to date 68mph recorded speed. And never get out and beat all batting records.

How right I was back then.
 
chunkyshanhawk53 said:
Trans rights are important

Female rights are also important

In the case of sport, I don’t believe that trans people should perform in women’s sport.

I know that’s probably an opinion that’s unpopular
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Unpopular? The general concensus is the same. You might get the odd death threat though.
 
For all that the debate is one that is live in all sports, cricket is unusual in that while a physique developed through male puberty may give in statistical average a performance advantage, the nature of the game is such that it doesn’t create safety issues in having mixed teams. Many more physical sports restrict or ban this at least for adults, but I was playing in a Sunday team with women in it as long ago as the 1990s. So we need a bespoke solution that works at elite professional and recreational levels.
Beau Peep said:
Or transitioning from being an Aussie to a Canadian to get a game
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Meant jokingly I’m sure but there’s a truth hidden in this comment. If it was just about the integrity of international sport then you’d have to say that just as going through puberty as a male will make you on average a more competitive cricketer than going through it as a female, so going through puberty as an Australian will make you on average a more competitive cricketer than going through it as a Canadian. So if the one is hugely controversial and the other isn’t, it’s about more. Which we all knew anyway.
 
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Fleagle said:
For all that the debate is one that is live in all sports, cricket is unusual in that while a physique developed through male puberty may give in statistical average a performance advantage, the nature of the game is such that it doesn’t create safety issues in having mixed teams. Many more physical sports restrict or ban this at least for adults, but I was playing in a Sunday team with women in it as long ago as the 1990s. So we need a bespoke solution that works at elite professional and recreational levels.

Meant jokingly I’m sure but there’s a truth hidden in this comment. If it was just about the integrity of international sport then you’d have to say that just as going through puberty as a male will make you on average a more competitive cricketer than going through it as a female, so going through puberty as an Australian will make you on average a more competitive cricketer than going through it as a Canadian. So if the one is hugely controversial and the other isn’t, it’s about more. Which we all knew anyway.
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Interesting, and must admit don't know much about cricket., I'm not sure I knew there were already mixed teams and that is great.

The problem I have with those born male who have gone through puberty, identifying as women then wanting to play on the women's team is NOT that they are going to win everything and beat the women, cos that is not always going to happen.

A place is being taken from young women and girls, their chance to shine on the big stage, their chance to use sport as a possible gateway to a career, sponsorship, finance and in America, possible chance to attend university without accruing thousands in debt. If they can't be seen, this can't happen.

And unfortunately if it was allowed to continue then womans teams would probably comprise of more and more born men identifying as female, meaning less and less women being able to have opportunities to shine and progress on the big stage, cos they will just not be seen.
 
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chunkyshanhawk53 said:
Trans rights are important

Female rights are also important

In the case of sport, I don’t believe that trans people should perform in women’s sport.

I know that’s probably an opinion that’s unpopular
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It’s only unpopular with people who do not believe in common sense and look for any opportunity to be enraged.

It’s clearly detrimental to women’s sports, but clearly there should be opportunity for trans men/women to play sport… but it definitely shouldn’t jeopardise the progress made with women’s sports.
 
forzamilansafc said:
Added absolutely nothing to the discussion as usual
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Big discussion imo should be why can't trans men and trans women not have their own dedicated sports, I'm all for inclusiveness but not at the detriment of one of the original genders. Lasses cricket has just got going, we don't need to sully it and it's records by having cheat codes wreck havoc upon it.

But what do I know in this upside down nonsense world.
Sillypoint said:
Oh i think "She" will


As long as the other players in the team are comfortable with this, i know there's been issues with female athletes being very uneasy with trans women in their changing rooms. but also fear speaking out too as not wanting to appear transphobic, personally im of the opinion of if they still have the "tools of the trade" they shouldn't be allowed to share womens spaces
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Should go without saying mate ffs.
 
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CPLforever said:
To be honest this is just the same sh*t different sport. We have had this discussion about Ann Andres, Lia Thomas, Laurel Hubbard, Andrea Yearwood, Fallon Fox and many many many more

Danielle McGahey is just another in a long list.

In an interview with the BBC Danielle was quoted as saying "I am absolutely honoured to be able to represent my community it is something I never dreamed I would be able to do." I am absolutely sure Danielle is not talking about the sisterhood or woman in general.

There is little opportunity for women and girls to shine in sports anyway without having more and more opportunities to perform on the big stage taken away from them.

Sex based rights and opportunities are what shores up women's rights and being able to change gender (especially self ID), are eroding those rights and opportunities for females who were born female.
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Good post mate.
smoker said:
Absurd.

The whole idea of women's sport is to create a fair competition where women can compete and win against other women. Trans women have a physical advantage from having lived 18+ years as a male.

Why can't they simply create trans sporting competitions instead?
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Could it be money or numbers just not there for separate trans competitions mate? Either way that's not the lasses fault.

But it matters not what the general public think. Those in power don't give a fuck about us. They rather degenerate and divide us further to enable them to control us easier.

I've lost count of the massive decisions taken over last few years without any public oversight or vote. We are literally been told what to do and how to live by fuckers who shouldn't have the right. Democracy is a illusion, and we ask why suicides, depression etc are at a all time high. I apologise for digressing.
 
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Hettonlass said:
All that fuss and a bit of a flop

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Once again and for the umpteenth time, it is not all about trans women being able to beat women, or winning.

It is about depriving a young girl or woman of her place on the big stage, her chance to shine. Thir chance to be seen etc etc. Oh just read post #45. I said it all there.
 
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I'm really pleased to see women's cricket coming on leaps and bounds. I'm really glad its being given a platform and women are being inspired to pick up the sport, have the chance to dream of becoming a star and pursue it as a profession. After all that progress, we don't need a trans woman taking away those opportunities. Its not just the place that they take away but the impact around them and the message it delivers. You can see from the video they are a beast. With shorter boundaries the trans person has a huge advantage on power. Imagine bowling to them and being tonked around the ground. Its like being 11 and bowling to a 20 year old.
 
IIRC the “concentration of testosterone” test used by the ICC is no longer followed by other sports as significant advantage remains. (Not an expert but pretty sure I read this recently.) Sport should follow the science and if the science says “no advantage” then fair enough. If the science says “advantage” then sorry you can’t take someone else’s place.
 
Pantomime Mackem said:
IIRC the “concentration of testosterone” test used by the ICC is no longer followed by other sports as significant advantage remains. (Not an expert but pretty sure I read this recently.) Sport should follow the science and if the science says “no advantage” then fair enough. If the science says “advantage” then sorry you can’t take someone else’s place.
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Agree in one sense. In another sense I believe science tells us that you can't change your sex so they shouldn't be playing anyway.
 
Pantomime Mackem said:
IIRC the “concentration of testosterone” test used by the ICC is no longer followed by other sports as significant advantage remains. (Not an expert but pretty sure I read this recently.) Sport should follow the science and if the science says “no advantage” then fair enough. If the science says “advantage” then sorry you can’t take someone else’s place.
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All these tests are ultimately subjective, therfore can be manipulated to fit any prevailing narrative. In addition, why do we always have to defer to a holy book for guidance? Either biblicall or scientific. We as a society should be able to ask and say if need be.., "Haway that's not cricket that like", without fears of reprisals. In my humble of course.
 
These transgenders competing in womens sport is making a mockery out of it. They should only be allowed to compete in the sport of the gender they were born. You're born a man you compete with the men. That would be my criteria. Of course they would struggle but it feels like they're taking the mick otherwise.
It would be hysterical if say all four female semi-finalists at Wimbledon were all transgenders.
 
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