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Danielle McGahey - First trans cricketer to play ICC status match

CPLforever said:
Oh I must have noticed it in that headline bit at the front cos (sorry) don't usually peruse the cricket thread.

I think most who post on this board know how I feel about trans women competing it in women's sports and I was definately commenting on the wider issue rather than it being cricket specific.

Anyway I will leave it to you cricketers to discuss from a cricket fans perspective
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It’s a tough one even for those who play/watch cricket.

Level I play at there’s a few lasses involved anyway so trans men/women wouldn’t have any issues. My issue is, if there’s no safety concern, does it impact competitiveness significantly. She might end up being absolutely shite at international level anyway and no one will care anymore
 

I am Boss said:
It’s a tough one even for those who play/watch cricket.

Level I play at there’s a few lasses involved anyway so trans men/women wouldn’t have any issues. My issue is, if there’s no safety concern, does it impact competitiveness significantly. She might end up being absolutely shite at international level anyway and no one will care anymore
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Do they play together on mixed teams?
 
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I am Boss said:
Level I play at there’s a few lasses involved anyway so trans men/women wouldn’t have any issues.
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In League Cricket yes, however theres no men playing in the Womens competitions, not sure id be too keen on the bairn getting changed and some "Lass" has their todger out
 
I am Boss said:
It’s a tough one even for those who play/watch cricket.

Level I play at there’s a few lasses involved anyway so trans men/women wouldn’t have any issues. My issue is, if there’s no safety concern, does it impact competitiveness significantly. She might end up being absolutely shite at international level anyway and no one will care anymore
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I would say it almost certain affects competitiveness. She’s clearly a lot bigger and stronger than a lot of the other women at her level purely because she went through puberty as a man. It doesn’t really matter if she’s rubbish at international level imo, it’s simply not fair for her to play against other women with a significant biological advantage that those women didn’t have access to.
 
chunkyshanhawk53 said:
Trans rights are important

Female rights are also important

In the case of sport, I don’t believe that trans people should perform in women’s sport.

I know that’s probably an opinion that’s unpopular
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I don't know anyone who thinks that it should be allowed.

If they've transitioned before puberty there wouldn't be a physical advantage (as I understand it) but noone should be allowed to transition pre-puberty as they're children.
 
Finally... a reason to justify the ridiculous decision to change Batsman to Batter.

I could understand the women's team not wanting to be Batsmen, and Batswomen sounds silly.

But in the men's game, Batsman was fine.
 
chunkyshanhawk53 said:
Trans rights are important

Female rights are also important

In the case of sport, I don’t believe that trans people should perform in women’s sport.

I know that’s probably an opinion that’s unpopular
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You’d have to be a deranged knacker to disagree with that.
Women are fine to play in mens games. Men or trans shouldn’t be playing in womens competitions.
 
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ilovehorswill said:
They’ve met eligibility rules so they can play. Many sports are giving trans players an opportunity, if it works out we could be seeing trans footballers in the near future
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Correct me if m.wrong, i genuinely dont know if this is jut media coverage but it seems like men transitioning to trans women are far more common place than trans men wanting to compete as men
 
Twisted said:
Correct me if m.wrong, i genuinely dont know if this is jut media coverage but it seems like men transitioning to trans women are far more common place than trans men wanting to compete as men
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Absolutely.

We’re currently at the wait and see stage, but the scientific community broadly agree biological men have greater muscle mass, bone density, bigger lungs, higher oxygen levels, and other, more subtle differences caused by millions of years of evolution.

I doubt many people disagree the former male physiology of a trans woman athlete provides them with a physiological advantage over a cis-female athlete, therefore a trans man would find it extremely hard to mix it with cis-men in high intensity sport.
 
chunkyshanhawk53 said:
Trans rights are important

Female rights are also important

In the case of sport, I don’t believe that trans people should perform in women’s sport.

I know that’s probably an opinion that’s unpopular
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This is my view as a liberal type as well.
It's an unfair advantage end of story.
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alexraeschin said:
I don't know anyone who thinks that it should be allowed.

If they've transitioned before puberty there wouldn't be a physical advantage (as I understand it) but noone should be allowed to transition pre-puberty as they're children.
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I support trans inclusivity in sport like.

As long as no one’s safety is compromised and the integrity of the sport isn’t compromised. Every case should be dealt with on a case by case basis. After watching some of the footage of Danielle McGahey where’s she’s belting young bowlers to the boundary with ease it probably compromises the sporting integrity. Or that could just be down to varying abilities at that level anyway
 
Twisted said:
Correct me if m.wrong, i genuinely dont know if this is jut media coverage but it seems like men transitioning to trans women are far more common place than trans men wanting to compete as men
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Don't have access to figures but working in mental health I think that's probably fair to say overall. But what I've noticed recently is that there are growing numbers of young (17-mid 20's) females living as males using chest binders etc.

Also the North East Gender Dysphoria Service is currently closed to new referrals due to huge caseloads.

smoker said:
Why can't they simply create trans sporting competitions instead?
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I don't think the demand is there overall to warrant whole separate groupings, purely due to number of trans people being so small.

Give it a decade or two and I think there will be. Possibly might see open categories that include male, female and trans before that imo.
 
smoker said:
Absurd.

The whole idea of women's sport is to create a fair competition where women can compete and win against other women. Trans women have a physical advantage from having lived 18+ years as a male.

Why can't they simply create trans sporting competitions instead?
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Because most of those who were born male and are now identifying as women do not want to compete in any other catagory except the womans catagory. Even creating an open catagory like in cycling is not satisfactory and according to Emily Bridges excluding her from women's cycling competitions is tantamount to genocide being carried out on trans people.
 
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