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Russell Martin has Ross Stewart as his main target **Transfer confirmed **


Turnip from the Tip said:
Agree. Point is it’s a fairly select list over 40 years. We’ve got Stewart at his peak, as we did Marco and Phillips. The difference is, one needed to leave to progress his career while Phillips left following relegation.

This is completely different. Stewart is / was very happy and settled here and banging in goals and we are not fending off Chelsea or even Aston Villa, but other clubs in our own division. For the simple reason that we won’t / can’t pay the going rate to keep a talented footballer.

I hope never to hear the current leadership refer to us as a genuinely big club again until they begin running is like one. Or just tell us exactly what the fuck is really going on at Sunderland.
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He is definitely not at his peak, he is currently laid up for 10 months with a serious injury having only returned about a month prior to that after 3 months out. He has played for us 13 times since the play off final in League One. There are absolutely no guarantees with Ross Stewart given hus injury record, which is a huge factor in the decisions being made by the club and also any potential bidders.
 
Turnip from the Tip said:
He’s a natural goalscorer up there with Kevin Phillips and Jermaine Defoe and yet we are going to allow him to leave to join a supposed competitor. I say supposed because if we are doing business like this and making such a little attempt to keep quality footballers like Ross Stewart, there are clearly no immediate ambitions to get back to the premier league. That’s fair enough, we are at least nailing our colours to the mast with this transaction and I suppose expectations are being managed accordingly.
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Not even in the same ballpark as those mentioned, and almost certainly never will be.
 
We would all have loved Stewart to have signed a new contract months ago but the reality is he hasn't...If we now take the Safc sentiment out of everything we have a Club supposedly willing to pay up to 10 million for a player who hasn't kicked a ball since January and one year left on his contract ...If by Saturday Ross Stewart is still at Sunderland with no new contract signed we'll have to go through all this again in January that's assuming he's playing regular and Clubs won't be offering anything like 10 million...I'd love him to sign up again but if not let's just take the money cos this seems to have been dragging on forever....
 
Rizla said:
He is definitely not at his peak, he is currently laid up for 10 months with a serious injury having only returned about a month prior to that after 3 months out. He has played for us 13 times since the play off final in League One. There are absolutely no guarantees with Ross Stewart given hus injury record, which is a huge factor in the decisions being made by the club and also any potential bidders.
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He was at his peak when the club offered him the first new contract. The injury has probably been a factor in the club then refusing to go any higher but at the end of the day it’s a club decision: we don’t need Stewart and since we got promoted out of league 1, have made pretty much zero genuine attempt to sign him up long term. It will be interesting to know the reasoning behind this, particularly the new, overseas unknown quantity doesn’t it the goals trail.
 
Rizla said:
He is definitely not at his peak, he is currently laid up for 10 months with a serious injury having only returned about a month prior to that after 3 months out. He has played for us 13 times since the play off final in League One. There are absolutely no guarantees with Ross Stewart given hus injury record, which is a huge factor in the decisions being made by the club and also any potential bidders.
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A commonsense post.

We really don't have any idea of whats happening behind the scenes at SAFC and I suspect that this unsigned deal is way more complex.

Stewart and his agent will be pushing for security on the back of multiple long term injuries. From the agents perspective, they'll want his financial future secured and will be just as aware as the club that his likeliness to recovery back to the same level is a risk factor.

The club, I'm guessing, will have factored this into his offer. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a short term contract extension with with a slight pay rise and some kind of severance/lay off clause built in should his injuries reoccur.

The agent won't want this and would happily take a contract elsewhere if it was a 3/4 year contract without injury caveats. It's a cynical game driven by money after all and really isn't about playing football.

He could go to Southampton, do his achillies again and sit on a higher paid, 3 year contract and play 50 games in 3 seasons. His agent wouldn't give a shit. It's a transaction that looks after his clients financial security.

The club are trying to take the emotion out of this and learn from past errors. I get that.

This is all speculation BTW. I know nowt.
 
If we sell, fair enough I understand why. But he definitely needs to be replaced like for like as a target man, which I dont think cannon really is.
 
We need to play hard ball with Southampton do what Brighton do, them the price and refuse to budge on it, Stewart will be away either now, January or end of the season, you get him fit and you flog him in January
 
MrChalk said:
A commonsense post.

We really don't have any idea of whats happening behind the scenes at SAFC and I suspect that this unsigned deal is way more complex.

Stewart and his agent will be pushing for security on the back of multiple long term injuries. From the agents perspective, they'll want his financial future secured and will be just as aware as the club that his likeliness to recovery back to the same level is a risk factor.

The club, I'm guessing, will have factored this into his offer. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a short term contract extension with with a slight pay rise and some kind of severance/lay off clause built in should his injuries reoccur.

The agent won't want this and would happily take a contract elsewhere if it was a 3/4 year contract without injury caveats. It's a cynical game driven by money after all and really isn't about playing football.

He could go to Southampton, do his achillies again and sit on a higher paid, 3 year contract and play 50 games in 3 seasons. His agent wouldn't give a shit. It's a transaction that looks after his clients financial security.

The club are trying to take the emotion out of this and learn from past errors. I get that.

This is all speculation BTW. I know nowt.
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Some of that may well be true (or it might not). Another perfectly valid argument would be that this should have been sorted out a year ago. Either the club should have backed him to become prolific in the championship or at worst once that became evident.

The first injury for example - not a serious one and a break from playing to get it done. Instead they made a paltry offer from which it has dragged on and on.

I’ve used this example before but when Fulham went down 2 years ago they put Mitrovic on top money to keep his goals and pretty much make promotion a gimme. Cost them £100k a week. Yes they had parachute money to do that and I’m not suggesting we paid Stewart that kind of money but if it’s true we offered him in the region of £10k that’s an insult. 25-30 goals a season at this level is a wage of 30k per week minimum. If we can’t find that sort of money for Ross Stewart then it’s a sad indictment of where the club is right now. No bigger than a Preston North End, a Cardiff city or a QPR.
 
MrChalk said:
A commonsense post.

We really don't have any idea of whats happening behind the scenes at SAFC and I suspect that this unsigned deal is way more complex.

Stewart and his agent will be pushing for security on the back of multiple long term injuries. From the agents perspective, they'll want his financial future secured and will be just as aware as the club that his likeliness to recovery back to the same level is a risk factor.

The club, I'm guessing, will have factored this into his offer. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a short term contract extension with with a slight pay rise and some kind of severance/lay off clause built in should his injuries reoccur.

The agent won't want this and would happily take a contract elsewhere if it was a 3/4 year contract without injury caveats. It's a cynical game driven by money after all and really isn't about playing football.

He could go to Southampton, do his achillies again and sit on a higher paid, 3 year contract and play 50 games in 3 seasons. His agent wouldn't give a shit. It's a transaction that looks after his clients financial security.

The club are trying to take the emotion out of this and learn from past errors. I get that.

This is all speculation BTW. I know nowt.
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His agent wouldn’t give a shit and Ross would be happy too.
 
Scotty 1978 said:
We need to play hard ball with Southampton do what Brighton do, them the price and refuse to budge on it, Stewart will be away either now, January or end of the season, you get him fit and you flog him in January
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We flog him in January though will be for no where near what we can get now.

Potentially he can only play 2 months , is losing 3/4 million worth it for that
 
A top striker in this league, a nuisance in the premier league. He won't be a big hitter in the big league imo.

We need him to get up there and find out. If he's off we need a replacement to get out of this league, we wont do it with what we have or makeshift forwards.
 
Born Safc said:
We would all have loved Stewart to have signed a new contract months ago but the reality is he hasn't...If we now take the Safc sentiment out of everything we have a Club supposedly willing to pay up to 10 million for a player who hasn't kicked a ball since January and one year left on his contract ...If by Saturday Ross Stewart is still at Sunderland with no new contract signed we'll have to go through all this again in January that's assuming he's playing regular and Clubs won't be offering anything like 10 million...I'd love him to sign up again but if not let's just take the money cos this seems to have been dragging on forever....
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If it comes to January (looks unlikely) hopefully we are doing well and scoring goals that he won’t be missed. At the moment he leaves and our combined striker output is a grand total of Zero goals and with no idea how they are going to perform. There better be a decent player on his way in. (There won’t be)
 
HettonSAFC said:
If it comes to January (looks unlikely) hopefully we are doing well and scoring goals that he won’t be missed. At the moment he leaves and our combined striker output is a grand total of Zero goals and with no idea how they are going to perform. There better be a decent player on his way in. (There won’t be)
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Totally agree we need to get some quality through the door which hopefully will happen if Stewart goes and the money is used towards the team......At the end of the day Stewart only managed thirteen games last season in a forty six game season with no guarantee he'll come back the same player
 
Born Safc said:
Totally agree we need to get some quality through the door which hopefully will happen if Stewart goes and the money is used towards the team......At the end of the day Stewart only managed thirteen games last season in a forty six game season with no guarantee he'll come back the same player
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This.

Seems to be this default and madly blind assumption by many on here that he'll be the same player when he returns.

It's baffling tbh.
 
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