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5th test the oval


I'm in a campsite at Lochranza, Arran and a Scottish lad came over to the campervan at 6.30 and told me to turn the radio down cos he could hear it. High fived a kraut when he sauntered back to his fuckin Bongo.
 
essex boy said:
My perception of the first test is a little different to yours. Stokes asked for a flat wicket, opted to pick no genuine quick (we dropped Tongue from the Ireland test and Wood was not selected) then proceeded to watch the Australian 8th wicket add 50 odd in the 4th innings, some may say that is freakish, against a one dimensional bowling attack others may say Cummins and Lyon applied themselves. If I recall England dropped quite a few catches in the test as well due to a lack of match sharpness. I cant say that is domination but everyone is entitled to their opinion


My perception of Bazball is we score at nigh on 5 an over on average, some games will be higher, some lower than the average. I do not believe England have quite mastered when to go all out and when to rein it in. Hence we see some exhilarating batting at times (OT) and some fairly abysmal batting at others (Lords first innings). Because England play test cricket like a ODI, it does not mean other sides will look to match them so time can still be taken out of a game to enable a draw when rain is around
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This England team bat soo quickly consistently like never seen before in test cricket that even if other teams do bat normally for want of a better word it’s highly unlikely games will be draws even with rain, very unlikely, their scored nearly 600 (which is a massive score in English conditions) in the last test with the Aussies 300 and 200 and still only needed 5 wickets despite nearly two days of rain.

As I said earlier very rare to get nearly two full days of rain, so highly unlikely if this team continues to score at this rate and play this way we will see draws in this country
 
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England need to realise there's still 3 days left. Try and bat out the full day tomorrow at the very least and then an ultra attacking hour on day 4 before putting Australia in to bat. They've already shown us with their run rate they'll take a draw so don't think they'll chase down a target of 300 or more.
 
essex boy said:
My perception of the first test is a little different to yours. Stokes asked for a flat wicket, opted to pick no genuine quick (we dropped Tongue from the Ireland test and Wood was not selected) then proceeded to watch the Australian 8th wicket add 50 odd in the 4th innings, some may say that is freakish, against a one dimensional bowling attack others may say Cummins and Lyon applied themselves. If I recall England dropped quite a few catches in the test as well due to a lack of match sharpness. I cant say that is domination but everyone is entitled to their opinion
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The one dimensional bowling attack which had got rid of all their quality batters but an 8th wicket stand won the game?

We will agree to disagree.
 
KGC83 said:
The one dimensional bowling attack which had got rid of all their quality batters but an 8th wicket stand won the game?

We will agree to disagree.
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Depends which angle you want to take. Khawaja scored 141 in the first innings at Edgbaston but since Wood entered the fray at Headingley he has mustered a meagre 124 runs and looks a walking wicket. If Wood is too good for Khawaja I would suggest he would have been far too good for Cummins and Lyon at Edgbaston. We lost at Edgbaston because we declared early, were undercooked and did not pick a quick to get through the tail
Voice of fair play said:
This England team bat soo quickly consistently like never seen before in test cricket that even if other teams do bat normally for want of a better word it’s highly unlikely games will be draws even with rain, very unlikely, their scored nearly 600 (which is a massive score in English conditions) in the last test with the Aussies 300 and 200 and still only needed 5 wickets despite nearly two days of rain.

As I said earlier very rare to get nearly two full days of rain, so highly unlikely if this team continues to score at this rate and play this way we will see draws in this country
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I would not disagree but the odd draw will appear here and there
 
McGregor said:
England need to realise there's still 3 days left. Try and bat out the full day tomorrow at the very least and then an ultra attacking hour on day 4 before putting Australia in to bat. They've already shown us with their run rate they'll take a draw so don't think they'll chase down a target of 300 or more.
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250-300 at tea, then bowl at them after tea for an hour or so
 
essex boy said:
Depends which angle you want to take. Khawaja scored 141 in the first innings at Edgbaston but since Wood entered the fray at Headingley he has mustered a meagre 124 runs and looks a walking wicket. If Wood is too good for Khawaja I would suggest he would have been far too good for Cummins and Lyon at Edgbaston. We lost at Edgbaston because we declared early, were undercooked and did not pick a quick to get through the tail


I would not disagree but the odd draw will appear here and there
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Possibly, but it’s very much clear that there is going to be a hell of a less draws with this side than past England sides, they have more or less took the draw out of the equation.
 
Missed last two sessions yesterday but would have taken that total at the start of the day.

Any word on Ali batting today?
 
Paddy O'Dors said:
Don't think he'll be batting at three. Maybe number 10 if we are up shit creek.
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Be nice if he wasn’t needed, but I can see him coming out later on like you say. Poor bugger was struggling to move in first innings but put some valuable runs down for us.

Wonder if they leave Brook at 5, I can see maybe Root going to 3 but then does YJB or Stokes move to 4 to leave Brook at 5.

Set up for a cracking weekend again.
 
LJP1786 said:
Be nice if he wasn’t needed, but I can see him coming out later on like you say. Poor bugger was struggling to move in first innings but put some valuable runs down for us.

Wonder if they leave Brook at 5, I can see maybe Root going to 3 but then does YJB or Stokes move to 4 to leave Brook at 5.

Set up for a cracking weekend again.
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I think Woakes or Stokes will go up to three, probably the former. Causes the least disruption.
 
essex boy said:
I would not disagree if it ends up 2-2. Two fairly ordinary sides with a splattering of high quality in either side evenly matched

Biggest issue for me is England, specifically some players were undercooked so lacked match sharpness in tests 1 and 2. Once England settled and got into their groove it was too much damage to claw back but people can now see how ordinary Australia are so kicking themselves, blaming the weather. In a 5 test match series in England expecting no test to be rain affected is a bit far fetched IMO
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Agree with some of that. Underprepared is a genuine fair taking point. I would say that our batting and bowling was the equal or better than theirs in the first two tests but our catching clearly wasn’t and that can be argued down to preparation.
McGregor said:
England need to realise there's still 3 days left. Try and bat out the full day tomorrow at the very least and then an ultra attacking hour on day 4 before putting Australia in to bat. They've already shown us with their run rate they'll take a draw so don't think they'll chase down a target of 300 or more.
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Honestly they don’t have to do that at all. These players weren’t selected to play careful, cautious cricket. They are batting against a good attack on a wicket that has something in it and they are more likely to get 250 Plus playing aggressively
 
rentaghost said:
Agree with some of that. Underprepared is a genuine fair taking point. I would say that our batting and bowling was the equal or better than theirs in the first two tests but our catching clearly wasn’t and that can be argued down to preparation.

Honestly they don’t have to do that at all. These players weren’t selected to play careful, cautious cricket. They are batting against a good attack on a wicket that has something in it and they are more likely to get 250 Plus playing aggressively
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Not saying be cautious as such. But if we are bowled out by tea again we will lose. That's obviously just my take on it. But if it's close to 300 all out by tea then Australia have shown they are willing to be as patient as they can to get it and they likely would in 7 sessions.
 
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McGregor said:
Not saying be cautious as such. But if we are bowled out by tea again we will lose. That's obviously just my take on it. But if it's close to 300 all out by tea then Australia have shown they are willing to be as patient as they can to get it and they likely would in 7 sessions.
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Bat to 380 , get them in for 20 minutes, hopefully the pitch starts doing stuff towards the end of the day
 
McGregor said:
England need to realise there's still 3 days left. Try and bat out the full day tomorrow at the very least and then an ultra attacking hour on day 4 before putting Australia in to bat. They've already shown us with their run rate they'll take a draw so don't think they'll chase down a target of 300 or more.
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We've got four frontline bowlers and the youngest is 33. We've also only got 10 batsman.

I posted before we've been bowling/fielding for 3 more days than the Aussies during the series. This definitely will have taken its toll seeing as Broad has been out there for nearly every part of it.

I guess the rain is the problem. But it's mental if we don't try and bat the day out. The only way we take 10 wickets is if our bowlers are fresh and rested.
rentaghost said:
Agree with some of that. Underprepared is a genuine fair taking point. I would say that our batting and bowling was the equal or better than theirs in the first two tests but our catching clearly wasn’t and that can be argued down to preparation.

Honestly they don’t have to do that at all. These players weren’t selected to play careful, cautious cricket. They are batting against a good attack on a wicket that has something in it and they are more likely to get 250 Plus playing aggressively
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We know they don't do it but it's definitely been at the detriment to our bowlers.

Lot of column inches about Jimmy underperforming. Maybe a factor is that he's closer to 41 than 40. We've also fielded for 3 more days across the series than the Aussies. Headingley(the game he missed) being the only match where the fielding was relatively close to even. We bowled 117 Aussies 102.
Edit me maths is wrong 102 to 127 :lol:

Obviously at rate we score we should bowl more. But it can't not be a factor in Jimmy having less zip than normal.
 
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