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Leach

Options are limited really so going to be a lot of pressure on the batters to rack up large totals in good time which of course is exactly what they’ve been doing for months.

Around 4 weeks ago I was confident we’d win the series with our bowling attack in home conditions but now with Leach out, Anderson and Robinson with injury concerns and Wood not capable of playing 5 back to back tests, I think Australia are the slight favourites.
 

The Breen Machine said:
Options are limited really so going to be a lot of pressure on the batters to rack up large totals in good time which of course is exactly what they’ve been doing for months.

Around 4 weeks ago I was confident we’d win the series with our bowling attack in home conditions but now with Leach out, Anderson and Robinson with injury concerns and Wood not capable of playing 5 back to back tests, I think Australia are the slight favourites.
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Hazlewood is out the test world championship.

they have a few problems as well.

I hear what you are saying though
 
Good god Dawson seriously he’s garbage could not even look threatening on raging turners just pick 4 seamers. I barely thought leach was up to but picking a spinner just having one when they are not good enough is pointless.
 
Durhamfootman said:
England only manage about 80 overs a day as it is, with a full time and part time spin option to call upon. Replace the full time spin with another seamer and they'd be lucky to bowl 70 overs a day.
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Ghfd said:
Agreed. A possible tactic to lessen the loss .
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Until some bright spark decides that punters should be refunded the missing overs. The ECB are incapable of doing anything quickly (apart from lose money on stupid get rich quick schemes), but they'd put a stop to that tactic overnight
 
Durhamfootman said:
Until some bright spark decides that punters should be refunded the missing overs. The ECB are incapable of doing anything quickly (apart from lose money on stupid get rich quick schemes), but they'd put a stop to that tactic overnight
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Agreed there .

I said in the test thread but walking off under clear blue skies in the sun, with overs un bowled is just not acceptable

just play on to the 90 , it’s not dangerous or life threatening as they play a 100 overs no problem in an odi

drinks breaks on the hour, take time out, that is never added. Then you have the potential for at least six DRS challenges and more if some are won or umpires call and you get them back

must take at least an hour out with reviews and drinks breaks
 
Ghfd said:
Bess takes wickets and has the best batting technique in recognised spinners

if only people could see it
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In principle I think this is a good call, but his red ball form is shot at the moment. I live well south of the Tees these days and the locals dispute that he’s even worth his game for Yorks. He’s come back a bit in the Blast (I was there today and he bowled two tight ones) but they’ll target him for sure and it’s 80/20 they’ll hit him out of the attack.

I wouldn’t be surprised if they go for a fourth seamer as the use the overs up guy. I really don’t fancy any of our other spinners.
 
Ghfd said:
Where would he bat in the order

crawley
duckett
pope
root
stokes
bairstow

Malan?

broad,
robinson
wood
anderson
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God knows. To be honest I wasn't being serious really, but I'm minded to think we might have to do something different to try to make up for JL.

I don't think Leach is brilliant, but compared to the alternative spinners he is and Stokes clearly has a lot of belief in him. Which I think helps Leach massively
 
Fleagle said:
In principle I think this is a good call, but his red ball form is shot at the moment. I live well south of the Tees these days and the locals dispute that he’s even worth his game for Yorks. He’s come back a bit in the Blast (I was there today and he bowled two tight ones) but they’ll target him for sure and it’s 80/20 they’ll hit him out of the attack.

I wouldn’t be surprised if they go for a fourth seamer as the use the overs up guy. I really don’t fancy any of our other spinners.
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I agree , I don’t think Bess is on their radar at all

was basically saying his stats align with leach on average in the test arena and his batting is better , but he won’t be getting a call
 
The Breen Machine said:
Options are limited really so going to be a lot of pressure on the batters to rack up large totals in good time which of course is exactly what they’ve been doing for months.

Around 4 weeks ago I was confident we’d win the series with our bowling attack in home conditions but now with Leach out, Anderson and Robinson with injury concerns and Wood not capable of playing 5 back to back tests, I think Australia are the slight favourites.
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Yeah think that’s fair. Hard to disagree.
 
chunkyshitehawk53 said:
I’m inclined to go with a seam bowling allrounder. A Woakes or a Curran. Particularly with Stokes able to bowl little

Whilst Rehan is an exciting thought, I don’t think you can trust him in a 4 man attack.
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I think they are going to pick woakes on home ground as an all rounder as I just can’t see Stokes bowling in the first test and if he does, it will be a very short spell

I think they will go in with root as the spin option and four seamers

the three who played at Lords , it will be interesting to see if any are retained .

it looks clear that they think wood, Robinson and Anderson are nailed on

that’s leaves one out of Broad, Tongue and Potts to play

crawley
ducky
pope
root
stokes
bairstow
woakes
robinson
wood
broad
anderson
 
I won't even try to second guess what Stokesy and Big Mac will decide. They have a way of thinking that constantly surprises me. Often in a good way
 
Durhamfootman said:
I won't even try to second guess what Stokesy and Big Mac will decide. They have a way of thinking that constantly surprises me. Often in a good way
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Yeah that’s true. I think the craziest thing to do would be to throw Ahmed in so can I be the first to predict that they do that and he wins the Ashes practically single handed.
 
Slightly dismayed how some think he will be so easy to replace

He’s the only ever present bowler under stokes, he’s took the most wickets for him, most 5s, he was scheduled to play every ashes test, and bowl a 3rd of the over a day

All the planning was around him doing that role, now he’s suddenly out

Some seem ti think it’ll be a doddle, it’s not, he’s been central to everything they do

I would just play Curran but I’m positive stokes will want to pick a spinner as it buys him a few wicket every innings and you need variety
Fleagle said:
Yeah that’s true. I think the craziest thing to do would be to throw Ahmed in so can I be the first to predict that they do that and he wins the Ashes practically single handed.
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Aye people are highlighting his success in Pakistan, but even then he bowled 20 overs less than leach

Of all the ideas he’s the one I’m least for
 
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MustardAndOnions said:
Slightly dismayed how some think he will be so easy to replace

He’s the only ever present bowler under stokes, he’s took the most wickets for him, most 5s, he was scheduled to play every ashes test, and bowl a 3rd of the over a day

All the planning was around him doing that role, now he’s suddenly out

Some seem ti think it’ll be a doddle, it’s not, he’s been central to everything they do

I would just play Curran but I’m positive stokes will want to pick a spinner as it buys him a few wicket every innings and you need variety
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Think Curran gets you that variety to an extent, the left arm option is worth something

If Stokes was fully fit I’d go Ahmed, but I don’t think you can if he’s not
 
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