The Safety of Fans in the North Stand

[Hank Scorpio]

I mean they could self police it and identify the culprit, but doesn't sound like that has happened, or the authorities have arrested anyone for what happened.

Genuine question mate… have they actually managed to charge any of the arseholes that have chucked things over the last few seasons? I know the Pompey fan got a banning order but he was caught by his own supporters.

 

[SAFC Wilks]

When I see “X is aware of the issue and is looking into it”, I think it usually means “Stop bugging me and leave me alone.”

 

[6inarow]

Can’t see why anyone chooses to sit there. If half the North stand was empty they would act.

This was going to be my next point tbh.....A north stand lower boycoutt would sort it out

 

[samaistonsrightfoot]

They're looking at safe standing in the south stand for the people who want to be vocal and stand all match. You can't move them into the north stand as the back rows of seats are BCB seats which have a high percentage of elderly people and people with mobility issues who like to sit down all match.

The BCB'ers don't want to go back upstairs as it's easier getting in and out of the BCB where they are now. Apparently there were numerous issues with the lift to the upper section and it takes to long to go down to the bar and back up at half time, which makes sense if they are unsteady on their feet.

That’s why I said putting moving them aside and just commented on the north.

That being said it’s becoming increasingly apparent the SoL isn’t fit for purpose when it comes to away fans and it shouldn’t be home fans that are the brunt of those inadequacies.

 

[jarrowdiamond]

Just been watching this video from a Birmingham fan @ 14:20 is Amads goal and I noticed the steward is fully focused on the match and not even watching their fans!!
This is the so call extra measures that we put in place, what a joke.

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Just watched some more he's constantly doing it ffs

 

[TravellingMackem]

People keep saying the South Stand will work. It'll be much much worse there imo for different reasons.

Do you think our new angel support which we've gained over there lately are going to stand 10m away from the likes of Coventry and just sing along and hold hands.

It's asking for trouble all over the place. It'll be this 10x worse. Kids throwing bottles at each other then after the game - good luck when there's a massive brawl.

Twats will be twats wherever they are just keep them away from our twats or your asking for trouble which they are at the North side of the stadium.

That’s valid - in which case you need to prevent the throwing of missiles. They’ve tried searching and that has proved inadequate. So they need to physically stop the missiles coming down onto our fans. Ajax have a giant Perspex screen that physically stops this - have we even looked at this? I very much doubt it

 

[samaistonsrightfoot]

This was going to be my next point tbh.....A north stand lower boycoutt would sort it out

Pretty much impossible unless everyone in north pays more to move to premier to have shitter seats (which benefits the club more anyway), is happy to sit by themself dotted about the ground as there’s barely any seats left together because they sold general sale this year at the same time as renewals (potentially deliberately to stop people moving) or stops going to the match altogether.

Not sure why any fan should have to choose one of those options because the club doesn’t want to provide adequate security provisions - both with staff and facilities.

 

[Father Jack Hackett]

There'll be hell on if Huddersfield fans hoy one over. Disgusting how many seasons this has been going on for. Utter disdain and contempt shown toward our own people

What gets me is that it was turned around to Sunderland fans throwing things, including a rubber dog toy onto the pitch. Of course this is wrong but it is no way comparable to heavy objects (and glass) being thrown from 100 feet potentially onto our fans' heads.

As you say, utter contempt

 

[TravellingMackem]

Cost can be reason not to do something, the controls need to be reasonably practicable.

I’d argue though that the costs here wouldn’t be enough to be a reason on their own.

£50,000 for a net was the figure banded about by Steve Neil himself. That’s very much reasonably practicable tbf. Unreasonable is £100m

The thing with the current family zone is there are hardly any families left in it. It's mainly vocal youths/adults as an extension of the south stand. It's not going to be the massive exodus as people think it will be when the new family section opens.

I still think the family section should have remained in the NW corner as it was before it's current incarnation. It's never been that family friendly as first it was next to the away fans and now it's next to the noisy section.

Sums up how little our club management know about our fanbase really

 

[Hank Scorpio]

That’s valid - in which case you need to prevent the throwing of missiles. They’ve tried searching and that has proved inadequate. So they need to physically stop the missiles coming down onto our fans. Ajax have a giant Perspex screen that physically stops this - have we even looked at this? I very much doubt it

Tbf mate, there’s still plenty they can do which doesn’t require a Perspex screen. For example, they could do what they do in Italy and have your name printed on the ticket. To gain access to the ground your ID needs to match your ticket.

Once in the ground, you then force fans to sit in their actual seat. If an object is thrown, the club just have to pinpoint the section it’s come from and they have the list of names of everyone in that section.

The club also have to be much nastier when it comes to dealing with away fans/clubs. If an object is thrown, the allocation for next season is slashed. Statements also need to be issued immediately after the game if something is thrown

Finally, we heavily highlight in the press when one of wankers is caught.

 

[Dundas street kid]

This was going to be my next point tbh.....A north stand lower boycoutt would sort it out

So S/T holders that sit in the lower north should boycott going to the games and anyone going on a match by match basis should only by in other areas, how would that work exactly as the club would not open the PC until all of the seats available (and there are a few hundred) in the lower north were filled. this boycott will never happen, what i do like is for everybody to enter the playing area from the affected seat and stop the game, this however will not happen either

 

[samaistonsrightfoot]

Tbf mate, there’s still plenty they can do which doesn’t require a Perspex screen. For example, they could do what they do in Italy and have your name printed on the ticket. To gain access to the ground your ID needs to match your ticket.

Once in the ground, you then force fans to sit in their actual seat. If an object is thrown, the club just have to pinpoint the section it’s come from and they have the list of names of everyone in that section.

The club also have to be much nastier when it comes to dealing with away fans/clubs. If an object is thrown, the allocation for next season is slashed. Statements also need to be issued immediately after the game if something is thrown

Finally, we heavily highlight in the press when one of wankers is caught.

Got a suspicion they don’t make statements as they want to turn a blind eye to it tbh.

More it’s highlighted the worse they look.

This is probably why they used dog toys in the rawa meeting to try and silence people talking about it happening.

So S/T holders that sit in the lower north should boycott going to the games and anyone going on a match by match basis should only by in other areas, how would that work exactly as the club would not open the PC until all of the seats available (and there are a few hundred) in the lower north were filled. this boycott will never happen

It’s impossible now. Could have done in in league one where everyone entered north then on kick off moved to an empty seat around the ground but there’s no seats now. Certainly not together.

The entire south, southwest and sout east had two seats left together last week in that entire end of the ground.

 

[TravellingMackem]

Tbf mate, there’s still plenty they can do which doesn’t require a Perspex screen. For example, they could do what they do in Italy and have your name printed on the ticket. To gain access to the ground your ID needs to match your ticket.

Once in the ground, you then force fans to sit in their actual seat. If an object is thrown, the club just have to pinpoint the section it’s come from and they have the list of names of everyone in that section.

The club also have to be much nastier when it comes to dealing with away fans/clubs. If an object is thrown, the allocation for next season is slashed. Statements also need to be issued immediately after the game if something is thrown

Finally, we heavily highlight in the press when one of wankers is caught.

Pursuing criminal charges would help. And publicising these. I know for a fact the CPS are just accepting public match banning order pleas from solicitors as a means of reducing their caseload. Which doesn’t come with a criminal record, a conviction or anything and let’s be honest there are ways around banning orders if you are that way inclined. If we went in hard on the offenders and pushed the harshest criminal charges possible, then publicised it to other away fans visiting then it would act as a disincentive.

However, I’m sure you’ll agree it’s fair to say the club won’t do any of that due to incompetence. So physically preventing the throwing of objects due to a screen or net is the safest option

So S/T holders that sit in the lower north should boycott going to the games and anyone going on a match by match basis should only by in other areas, how would that work exactly as the club would not open the PC until all of the seats available (and there are a few hundred) in the lower north were filled. this boycott will never happen, what i do like is for everybody to enter the playing area from the affected seat and stop the game, this however will not happen either

There’s absolutely no chance my dad moves his seat. We’ve sat there since the SOL opened and it’s our seats. The people around us have all sat there since 1997 too, and we like the people around and what not. My dads also stood in his words “the exact same spot” at Fulwell for 20 odd years before that. He’d rather not go than move his seat, and I know all of those around me would be in a similar position. People are rightfully very possessive about their seats and I don’t see why we should move due to club incompetence when there’s plenty of options available to the useless knackers

 

[tony_not_in_london]

Tbf mate, there’s still plenty they can do which doesn’t require a Perspex screen. For example, they could do what they do in Italy and have your name printed on the ticket. To gain access to the ground your ID needs to match your ticket.

Once in the ground, you then force fans to sit in their actual seat. If an object is thrown, the club just have to pinpoint the section it’s come from and they have the list of names of everyone in that section.

The club also have to be much nastier when it comes to dealing with away fans/clubs. If an object is thrown, the allocation for next season is slashed. Statements also need to be issued immediately after the game if something is thrown

Finally, we heavily highlight in the press when one of wankers is caught.

All good ideas

Plus in terms of how reasonable a cost £100k for safety measures such as a net or Perspex screen is, at a conservative estimate nine members of our current squad earn more than four times that per year

 

[Hank Scorpio]

Got a suspicion they don’t make statements as they want to turn a blind eye to it tbh.

More it’s highlighted the worse they look.

This is probably why they used dog toys in the rawa meeting to try and silence people talking about it happening.


It’s impossible now. Could have done in in league one where everyone entered north then on kick off moved to an empty seat around the ground but there’s no seats now. Certainly not together.

The entire south, southwest and sout east had two seats left together last week in that entire end of the ground.

Totally agree bud. The club are desperate to avoid anything that draws attention to the subject.

Behind the scenes they will be hoping that Tuesday passes without incident and the matter can be swept under the carpet.

 

[TravellingMackem]

All good ideas

Plus in terms of how reasonable a cost £100k for safety measures such as a net or Perspex screen is, at a conservative estimate nine members of our current squad earn more than four times that per year

It was half that Neil quoted for the net - and I’d wager Stewart’s new contract is approaching that per week!

 

[Stormo]

Might’ve been asked but how come other clubs with similar setups don’t get this hassle? The mags don’t seem to (apart from one or two incidents in the derby)

 

[TravellingMackem]

Might’ve been asked but how come other clubs with similar setups don’t get this hassle? The mags don’t seem to (apart from one or two incidents in the derby)

League one yobs and general sale. In the PL not many games go to general sale, so supporters need their loyalty point accounts to get tickets for everything and so don’t want to get banned, and hence behave. At this level it doesn’t really matter if you’re banned as you just get your mate to buy a ticket next week and go anyway. And you aren’t losing a Man Utd season ticket you waited 20 years in a queue for with 180 loyalty points.

I’d be very confident in saying that those throwing the flares aren’t regular attendees to matches

 

[Roker Scoreboard]

If someone in the North Lower was seriously injured, or in the case of the glass bottle incident actually lost their life....Would the club open themselves up to corporate manslaughter for not doing enough to stop the risk?

 

[6inarow]

So S/T holders that sit in the lower north should boycott going to the games and anyone going on a match by match basis should only by in other areas, how would that work exactly as the club would not open the PC until all of the seats available (and there are a few hundred) in the lower north were filled. this boycott will never happen, what i do like is for everybody to enter the playing area from the affected seat and stop the game, this however will not happen either

If a boycoutt was threatened they would do something about it...if you call it today, everyone doesnt buy different seats tomorrow....change only happens when the threat is on the table, if the powers that be dont react then you know the safety of the clubs supporters dont matter...which we already know anyhow