Television replays would need doing away with.
Should be a challenge system like cricket.
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Lee Mason - VAR
- Thread starter Mowgli
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Should be a challenge system like cricket.
I hardly ever have a go at refs because it's such a tough job and any mistakes they make are honest mistakes and 95/100 you can understand why they made the decision they did. But I just think Mason made bad decisions pretty much every game I saw him. One that sticks in mind was Fellaini blocking Danny Rose and sent him flying 90° from the angle he was running. Mason booked Rose for diving.
SOLid
Midfield
An interesting VAR comparison with Rugby Union in the recent 6N Irl-Fra game. France tighthead prop Uini Atonio went in on Rob Herring and his shoulder slid up almost instantly to eventually connect with Herring’s jaw. It happened in a split second.
It was a red card all day long to us watching, the type of incident that World Rugby is looking to banish from the sport.
With the assistance of the video ref, the on-field ref applied the letter of the (complicated) tackle law and just gave a yellow. The mic captured his rationale and (legally) he was spot on. But the law is inadequate in hindsight. Rob Herring went off for a HIA and basically suffered a brain injury.
The thing is that Football’s offside law is daft when a fingernail offside counts as a foul. Having to draw lines on the VAR screen to measure millimetres is just ridiculous.
When the law is plainly an ass – change the law.
In generlal, the video reffing works very well in rugby. No great complaints.
It was a red card all day long to us watching, the type of incident that World Rugby is looking to banish from the sport.
With the assistance of the video ref, the on-field ref applied the letter of the (complicated) tackle law and just gave a yellow. The mic captured his rationale and (legally) he was spot on. But the law is inadequate in hindsight. Rob Herring went off for a HIA and basically suffered a brain injury.
The thing is that Football’s offside law is daft when a fingernail offside counts as a foul. Having to draw lines on the VAR screen to measure millimetres is just ridiculous.
When the law is plainly an ass – change the law.
In generlal, the video reffing works very well in rugby. No great complaints.
ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK
Winger
Aye lets go back to yards offside or completely missing that another player did something that would have reversed the decision. Sadly it's not about the match day fans any more as it's more about the £millions in the game and the global TV fans not seeing constant incorrect decisions. Football as we knew it has been taken away from the match day fan as they are less of the overall revenue of a club.
In that 2nd post of mine I quoted previously they could get rid of all incorrect offside decisions with the margin of error. That means more limbs celebrations but without having it ruled offside when it is still debatable. The semi-automated stuff is much quicker than manual VAR offsides so fans at the match will also know quicker that it's offside.
I explain them in detail as not everyone may grasp it from a more concise version. I'm also on a keyboard sometimes so I can type quite fast and it doesn't like that much on a big screen compared to a phone.I love your posts but I feel like I need to take a deep breath and strap myself in before I read them
Yet this is what people want to go back to. This is why VAR came about in the first place, fans, players, managers, TV pundits, media etc all complaining about incorrect decisions. It's here to stay so it's time to accept it rather than constantly say "get rid" which I wanted at first but now just accept it's here to stay. They know the "get rid" voice will fade over time as kids who started going to footy with VAR become more of the match day fan. People say celebrations are now watered down but I don't think they are. It's not every goal scored has a VAR intervention (anyone know what percentage VAR holds up play?) and you see fans going mad but then VAR is checking for offside. In the past the lino flags and celebrations are nipped in the bud whereas now fans can celebrate again or opposing fans if it is offside so it's still emotional one way or another.
Offside is changing, just not here yet as I explain HERE
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SOLid
Midfield
Ah! Didn't know that. Thanks for the explanation.
ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK
Winger
Hoy in the margin of error based on players speed between the previous frames then it could mean they don't ever disallow a goal incorrectly for offside. I'd rather see debatable goals allowed to be onside rather than being disallowed the way it is now with a smaller margin of error. Though we'd probably see it less in our favour in the Premier League unless we score more than we concede
The fact 12 people so far liked this post below shows they're not aware of the upcoming changes with the semi automated offside (LINK) which works in seconds. Hence my tedious posts on the subject @redandwhiterob to spread the word so get spreading
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Ashley In!!
Striker
Lee Mason did.
JackL
Midfield
He made a mistake because there's such a clamour to 'get on with it' they spent so long on one offside they didn't want to spend any longer on the other one. It's a poor mistake but to lose his job or to have to walk is ridiculous
Should have just been demoted to football league
ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK
Winger
It's the semi-automated system and it's not BT, it's FIFA. It's been used in the World Cup, Champions League and started being used in Serie A just recently on Jan 27th but not yet in the PL (LINK with plenty info for the last time as I feel like Hettonlass
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Boinger
Striker
Off topic but this reminds me of what a lad I worked with for a time, told me about growing up in Tipton, and playing football in the street/park with Steve Bull.
"He (Bull) supported the Baggies and was a goal hanging twat even then".
I didn't see the incident in question, but Peter Walton on BT and Chris Foy on Amazon, as pundits, seem to go out of the way to back a referee's decision - it could be Lee Mason did the same, which undermined the reason for using VAR effectively.
TheRey
Striker
Nice way to avoid the issue of you claiming it's the fans fault
Also, if a VAR ref is incapable of drawing lines on a screen for offside, then yes, he's useless.
AC Mack
Striker
Then the argument becomes why should a Championship or League One team have to 'suffer' because he made a mistake at Premier League level.
JackL
Midfield
Yes you're right but I think it's fair rather than losing his job
AC Mack
Striker
ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK
Winger
They're trialling discussions as I said in the "Crisis VAR" thread I keep linking but I'll just hoy up the link to The Athletic article instead
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That's very kind of you
Best regards, Lee Mason
AC Mack
Striker
I'm not saying I disagree with you either, but you used to hear it from fans quite a lot when we were in League One.
JackL
Midfield
That's the price for being in League 1 unfortunately
