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After five years on the waiting list, I've been given an allotment and I'm chuffed.

Seems to me to be the perfect time to get it ready for spring, I know I want my compost heap sorted asap and I'm going to weed the beds already there and cover with weed membrane over winter. I have a small polytunnel too that withstood storm arwen last year so I think it'll be fine.

  1. If you were starting out a new allotment what would you have done at the start ?
  2. I notice lots of ivy, sprawling everywhere, any tips on dealing with it?
  3. Also some bits of horsetail dotted about I noticed, again, any tips ?
Over to you, the fine horticulturists of the SMB.

I cant offer much help because I don't have one but I would have thought that scaling it back and tidying it up, getting rid of weeds and making sure the soil is well fertilised and at the right ph level for what you want to grow. Then maybe making some raised beds identifying sections to plant, especially if different things like different soil types.

I think spending time planning at the beginning will benefit you a lot. watch some youtube videos.

Im sure someone will be able to help who has done it it before.
 

After five years on the waiting list, I've been given an allotment and I'm chuffed.

Seems to me to be the perfect time to get it ready for spring, I know I want my compost heap sorted asap and I'm going to weed the beds already there and cover with weed membrane over winter. I have a small polytunnel too that withstood storm arwen last year so I think it'll be fine.

  1. If you were starting out a new allotment what would you have done at the start ?
  2. I notice lots of ivy, sprawling everywhere, any tips on dealing with it?
  3. Also some bits of horsetail dotted about I noticed, again, any tips ?
Over to you, the fine horticulturists of the SMB.
It depends on what state it is in. I'd certainly think about designing what you want from the start and if the soil is not good, that is a good point above about raised beds.

I converted one end of my garden into a veg patch which was grass and did previously have a border of laylandi pine, which I cut down. It went roughly with
- Year 1, dug two beds and make raised with solid planks from an old fence
- Year 2, add a bit of a border around it and a trellis fence between it and the rest of the garden, added 1 more bed. I have heavy clay soil so the initial dig of the beds was a lot of work.
- Year 3, add 2 more beds
- Year 4 or 5, get fed up of the narrow grass paths between that got difficult to keep cut once veg plants started hanging over and became an ideal place for slugs to hide during the day, replaced with weed membrane and bark chippings
- Year 6, the old fence boards were really rotten, replace with decking boards.
- Year 10, the decking boards rotted, replace again
- Years in between, keep replacing bark chippings and having problems with weeds. They rot down into compost and mix with anything that spills over the edges when digging.
- Year 14 & 15, newer decking boards not doing well, too much moisture, replace with sleepers and paving slabs between

The hard bit was the initial digging and pulling out grass. If I started again then I'd probably have gone for sleepers and paving from the start or at least wider paths so I could get in a bit easier. But for the main bit, I should have just hired a tiller and ploughed up the whole lot then pulled out any grass roots. Repeat after a month and then if in winter, repeat in the spring, then make the beds and paths between.

Ivy and horsetail is just a case of keep pulling it out where ever you see it. When you go around watering and see a little sprout, pull it before it grows. Plan a regular weeding sweep. I often let mine get in a bad state then it is a huge job to weed. This year I tried to spend an hour every Saturday morning just to systematically go clockwise round and pull any weed appearing. After a few weeks I was able to cover a fair bit of ground in a few hours.

For growing, I'd say grow what you are likely to eat or what you are not likely to get fresh easily. Peas are great to start with, pretty easy and fantastic fresh. I planted a load of radishes at first because loads of guides said they are easy to grow. We don't eat them! Carrots work really well for some people, but don't for me. I've given up on them, but my parsnips are always really good where as a few on this thread say they struggle with them.
 
Where's the allotment marra??

Washington.

Council fella said they were trying to get on top of the lists as they'd gone on a bit of a back burner over the covid period but was keen to get all empty plots filled where possible.

So if anyone else is on a list it might be worth giving them a bell, push them on a bit.

It depends on what state it is in. I'd certainly think about designing what you want from the start and if the soil is not good, that is a good point above about raised beds.

I converted one end of my garden into a veg patch which was grass and did previously have a border of laylandi pine, which I cut down. It went roughly with
- Year 1, dug two beds and make raised with solid planks from an old fence
- Year 2, add a bit of a border around it and a trellis fence between it and the rest of the garden, added 1 more bed. I have heavy clay soil so the initial dig of the beds was a lot of work.
- Year 3, add 2 more beds
- Year 4 or 5, get fed up of the narrow grass paths between that got difficult to keep cut once veg plants started hanging over and became an ideal place for slugs to hide during the day, replaced with weed membrane and bark chippings
- Year 6, the old fence boards were really rotten, replace with decking boards.
- Year 10, the decking boards rotted, replace again
- Years in between, keep replacing bark chippings and having problems with weeds. They rot down into compost and mix with anything that spills over the edges when digging.
- Year 14 & 15, newer decking boards not doing well, too much moisture, replace with sleepers and paving slabs between

The hard bit was the initial digging and pulling out grass. If I started again then I'd probably have gone for sleepers and paving from the start or at least wider paths so I could get in a bit easier. But for the main bit, I should have just hired a tiller and ploughed up the whole lot then pulled out any grass roots. Repeat after a month and then if in winter, repeat in the spring, then make the beds and paths between.

Ivy and horsetail is just a case of keep pulling it out where ever you see it. When you go around watering and see a little sprout, pull it before it grows. Plan a regular weeding sweep. I often let mine get in a bad state then it is a huge job to weed. This year I tried to spend an hour every Saturday morning just to systematically go clockwise round and pull any weed appearing. After a few weeks I was able to cover a fair bit of ground in a few hours.

For growing, I'd say grow what you are likely to eat or what you are not likely to get fresh easily. Peas are great to start with, pretty easy and fantastic fresh. I planted a load of radishes at first because loads of guides said they are easy to grow. We don't eat them! Carrots work really well for some people, but don't for me. I've given up on them, but my parsnips are always really good where as a few on this thread say they struggle with them.

Thanks for that,

They're already some beds in (x10) it seems in decent shape apart from the ivy everywhere, google earth has it looking good in March this year, empty but tidy. They have put weed membrane and gravel round the beds as paths too, I now feel like I have been quite lucky picking up this plot.

I did noticed the beds are made with decking boards so I think I'll replace them with sleepers like you did as and when I can. I have a soil test kit coming from eBay now, good shout @Wild Card
 
After five years on the waiting list, I've been given an allotment and I'm chuffed.

Seems to me to be the perfect time to get it ready for spring, I know I want my compost heap sorted asap and I'm going to weed the beds already there and cover with weed membrane over winter. I have a small polytunnel too that withstood storm arwen last year so I think it'll be fine.

  1. If you were starting out a new allotment what would you have done at the start ?
  2. I notice lots of ivy, sprawling everywhere, any tips on dealing with it?
  3. Also some bits of horsetail dotted about I noticed, again, any tips ?
Over to you, the fine horticulturists of the SMB.

Not sure what condition your allotment is in, but a lot are in a mess when you inherit them. I would just have a general tidy up for now. Get every building shored up and comfortable inside.The hard work starts in March, though as you are keen to get going, February if its a good month. Dig everywhere over or if ground rough get a rotivator in, then spread some compost. Do some research, online or buy a couple of books on allotment gardening/vegetable growing etc, decide what you are going to plant/grow and where. In my first year I kept it simple, lots of potatoes/onions and a bit of Kale, Courgettes etc.

GOOD LUCK ! You'll love it. Best thing I ever did. Love spending all day down the allotment on a summers day, an hours work, bottle of beer with the radio on in the shed, maybe sit outside in the sun, an hours work, bottle of beer in the shed, rinse repeat...
 
After five years on the waiting list, I've been given an allotment and I'm chuffed.

Seems to me to be the perfect time to get it ready for spring, I know I want my compost heap sorted asap and I'm going to weed the beds already there and cover with weed membrane over winter. I have a small polytunnel too that withstood storm arwen last year so I think it'll be fine.

  1. If you were starting out a new allotment what would you have done at the start ?
  2. I notice lots of ivy, sprawling everywhere, any tips on dealing with it?
  3. Also some bits of horsetail dotted about I noticed, again, any tips ?
Over to you, the fine horticulturists of the SMB.
The mistake I made was digging. Six inches under the soil was a layer of ground fill waste ranging from shot gun cartridges and aerosol canisters to broken glass and suspension struts that looked like they had come off a Massey Ferguson.
 
After five years on the waiting list, I've been given an allotment and I'm chuffed.

Seems to me to be the perfect time to get it ready for spring, I know I want my compost heap sorted asap and I'm going to weed the beds already there and cover with weed membrane over winter. I have a small polytunnel too that withstood storm arwen last year so I think it'll be fine.

  1. If you were starting out a new allotment what would you have done at the start ?
  2. I notice lots of ivy, sprawling everywhere, any tips on dealing with it?
  3. Also some bits of horsetail dotted about I noticed, again, any tips ?
Over to you, the fine horticulturists of the SMB.
Dig in as much bulk organic matter (well rotted manure ideally but any soil conditioner) now so it’s had the winter to get the activity of bacteria and all the good critters like worms going at it).

Worry about the weeds in the spring.
 
All of the previous posts are great advice.
I would definitely cover over the plots now with plastic sheets/tarpaulin - and in the spring weed out a plot at a time.
Have a sit down now and make out a plan for sectioning off different plots and work out a crop rotation plan for the likes of Alliums, brassicas, root veg etc.
Go online and buy big 25kg sacks of garden lime and also blood, bone & fish. You will need them.
Also a soil ph tester. Get that ASAP - if the soil is acid (under a ph of 5) you need to add lime. It is good to do it now.

Get Santa to buy you a good book on allotments. This book has been a Godsend.


And most of all - enjoy it and don't be put off by failures. There is never a year when everything grows to expectations.
 
Dig in as much bulk organic matter (well rotted manure ideally but any soil conditioner) now so it’s had the winter to get the activity of bacteria and all the good critters like worms going at it).

Worry about the weeds in the spring.
Why dig it in? Just mulch it on top of the existing beds and let nature do it’s thing. All my beds are no dig.
 
Also a soil ph tester. Get that ASAP - if the soil is acid (under a ph of 5) you need to add lime. It is good to do it now.
What type of tester do you use? I’ve just moved my chicken run so I can use this area to grow, they’ve been in the same place about a year so I’m assuming that the soil might be too harsh to plant even after the winter.
 
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What type of tester do you use? I’ve just moved my chicken run so I can use this area to grow, they’ve been in the same place about a year so I’m assuming that the soil might be too harsh to plant even after the winter.
I have a battery powered one. Does the pH and temperature.
Runs on a 9volt battery.
Does the job.
 
To make the lazy git do a bit graft.

As he’s just taken it on I’d dig it in for the first year then layer on top in subsequent years.

But mainly to make the lazy git do a bit graft.
:lol:
Problem is though if he's got horsetail and other weeds in there he's just spreading them. I'd be cutting it all back, digging out any perennial weeds and covering with a layer of cardboard to suppress the rest and then putting a few inches of manure/compost on top then letting the worms do their stuff between now & spring. Then again, I'm a lazy git as well ;)
 
Somehow my lettuce is still ok, growing slowly. The frosts a couple of week back didn't kill them!

Anyway, can anyone suggest when its time to start stuff off? I've got a plastic greenhouse in my office, and some LED light strips wrapped around and around, so there's a load of light for one things germinate.

Planning the usual tomatoes, lettuce, peas that I've done in previous years.

And are there any chillis that grow well outdoors up here? My plants are always horribly stunted.
 
Somehow my lettuce is still ok, growing slowly. The frosts a couple of week back didn't kill them!

Anyway, can anyone suggest when its time to start stuff off? I've got a plastic greenhouse in my office, and some LED light strips wrapped around and around, so there's a load of light for one things germinate.

Planning the usual tomatoes, lettuce, peas that I've done in previous years.

And are there any chillis that grow well outdoors up here? My plants are always horribly stunted.
Long Slim chillis grow well. Start early - end of Feb - they can tolerate anything above 12 c keep indoors until no risk of frost then outside. Last summer was very hot and I also grew habaneros but nowhere near as many as the Long Slim

Mine were from Kings Seeds, Monks Farm, Coggleshall Road, Kelvedon, Colchester Essex.
 
Long Slim chillis grow well. Start early - end of Feb - they can tolerate anything above 12 c keep indoors until no risk of frost then outside. Last summer was very hot and I also grew habaneros but nowhere near as many as the Long Slim

Mine were from Kings Seeds, Monks Farm, Coggleshall Road, Kelvedon, Colchester Essex.
How hot are the long slim chillies?
 
How hot are the long slim chillies?
Quite hot 20 - 30,000 scoville scale.

But it’s all about individual taste I dry them and make chilli flakes and use them all year. They have quite a kick and even if you handle them your fingers can feel it.

mind I might just be a big softy

 
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Quite hot 20 - 30,000 scoville scale.

But it’s all about individual taste I dry them and make chilli flakes and use them all year. They have quite a kick and even if you handle them your fingers can feel it.

mind I might just be a big softy

About the top end of what I am happy with.

Considering a couple each of jalapenos, Hungarian hot wax and small thai chillis between the tomatoes. Will be enough for us.
 
In the ground, or in pots?
Pots, in a greenhouse or polytunnel I haven't yet bought.

Interesting that @Big Jeff is successfully growing those Long Slim ones outdoors.
Quite hot 20 - 30,000 scoville scale.

But it’s all about individual taste I dry them and make chilli flakes and use them all year. They have quite a kick and even if you handle them your fingers can feel it.

mind I might just be a big softy

Are you in the North East, Jeff ?
 
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