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Gary Neville

Shambo said:
why would words mean nothing after that? words are still words. valid points are still valid points.

I have criticised him for taking Qatari money, but i am able to separate that from a viewpoint on UK based nurses striking
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As the old saying goes, "Actions speak louder than words". He could have stuck to the principles he claims to have, rejected the £1.6m offered to him and said all of that in this country. It's not like he doesn't have the platform as he's never off TV.

What we witnessed yesterday was the biggest example of virtue signalling we have ever seen. The fact that he made that speech whilst being paid all that money from a venue where 1000s of workers lost their lives was quite frankly sickening.
 

CaptainRed said:
Well they are. If he cared so much about workers rights he could have taken a stand and sat this tournament out. They waved £1.6m in front of his nose and he couldn't get on the plane quick enough. If he has you fooled then that's your problem.

I actually work with a lad who is football daft but hasn't watched a single second of the world cup because of the issues he has with Qatar. That's a man with principles. Neville isn't.
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Apologies for the pedantry but you said 'he's given a party political broadcast on workers rights' - which means he clearly cares and he is bothered enough to talk about it on tv when he didn't have to - and then you said 'He doesn't care about workers rights'. It's pretty clear that he can't 'care' and 'not care' at the same time. You then wrote 'They waved £1.6m in front of his nose and he couldn't get on the plane quick enough' which is something that you appear to have made up (I can't find the source anywhere yet). The bit where you say 'If he has you fooled then that's your problem' - I'm not sure what he has me fooled about - happy to discuss this further, I just don't have the context yet. And the last bit about principles and your mate - it's overly simplistic to boil the complexity of the issue down to your mate have principles but Neville hasn't. For example, I have read dozens of articles where neville has very clearly laid out what some of the issues are in Qatar regarding laws and workers rights. I haven't read or heard a word from your mate. It doesn't mean your mate is less or more valid. The same applies to Neville - just because he is paid for his services, doesn't make his opinions more or less valid.
CaptainRed said:
As the old saying goes, "Actions speak louder than words". He could have stuck to the principles he claims to have, rejected the £1.6m offered to him and said all of that in this country. It's not like he doesn't have the platform as he's never off TV.

What we witnessed yesterday was the biggest example of virtue signalling we have ever seen.
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Was it? Any proof that it was the biggest example? or is just a personal and emotional outburst leaving everything that follows just an opinion. You said 'he's never off TV' which isn't true either. Statistically, he's actually very rarely on tv.
 
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i dont think any of the double standards taking a wage people managed to raise the Cup out of the dirt
Only Fifa guy was well and truly up their back sides
CaptainRed said:
As the old saying goes, "Actions speak louder than words". He could have stuck to the principles he claims to have, rejected the £1.6m offered to him and said all of that in this country. It's not like he doesn't have the platform as he's never off TV.

What we witnessed yesterday was the biggest example of virtue signalling we have ever seen. The fact that he made that speech whilst being paid all that money from a venue where 1000s of workers lost their lives was quite frankly sickening.
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Strangely its the punters and players words of those there getting the most air time and there's little coverage of the people back here and their views
i think there's been some good sessions of Qatar knocking from within its invited guests
 
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CaptainRed said:
As the old saying goes, "Actions speak louder than words". He could have stuck to the principles he claims to have, rejected the £1.6m offered to him and said all of that in this country. It's not like he doesn't have the platform as he's never off TV.

What we witnessed yesterday was the biggest example of virtue signalling we have ever seen. The fact that he made that speech whilst being paid all that money from a venue where 1000s of workers lost their lives was quite frankly sickening.
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Fair enough, its just not how I see it. Ive been criticle of Neville working for BEin Sports (paid for by Qatar), but i don't see that this removes his right to express his opinion on a different matter.
 
cornish cat said:
Apologies for the pedantry but you said 'he's given a party political broadcast on workers rights' - which means he clearly cares and he is bothered enough to talk about it on tv when he didn't have to - and then you said 'He doesn't care about workers rights'. It's pretty clear that he can't 'care' and 'not care' at the same time. You then wrote 'They waved £1.6m in front of his nose and he couldn't get on the plane quick enough' which is something that you appear to have made up (I can't find the source anywhere yet). The bit where you say 'If he has you fooled then that's your problem' - I'm not sure what he has me fooled about - happy to discuss this further, I just don't have the context yet. And the last bit about principles and your mate - it's overly simplistic to boil the complexity of the issue down to your mate have principles but Neville hasn't. For example, I have read dozens of articles where neville has very clearly laid out what some of the issues are in Qatar regarding laws and workers rights. I haven't read or heard a word from your mate. It doesn't mean your mate is less or more valid. The same applies to Neville - just because he is paid for his services, doesn't make his opinions more or less valid.


Was it? Any proof that it was the biggest example? or is just a personal and emotional outburst leaving everything that follows just an opinion. You said 'he's never off TV' which isn't true either. Statistically, he's actually very rarely on tv.
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Ultimately if he was really bothered about workers rights he would have refused the £1.6m to help promote the tournament. Simple as that. What I will say is that if he decided to donate the money he's earned from his time in Qatar to the families the workers killed building the stadiums and studeos he's spent the last month in then at least that would be some sort of positive gesture.
 
JohnKay said:
Just because he jumped on the oil money train in the end doesn't mean he can't comment on shite at home.
He let himself down going out there but he's still spot on with affairs at home. Still a good lad but tainted.
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No he’s not. He compared nurses in the UK to Indian construction workers in Qatar.

He’s a nob head. Deserves everything he gets.

He got paid by the same people withholding money from the families of dead immigrants.
 
Brian Griffin said:
No he’s not. He compared nurses in the UK to Indian construction workers in Qatar.

He’s a nob head. Deserves everything he gets.

He got paid by the same people withholding money from the families of dead immigrants.
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Don't agree at all, he dares to stick up for those worse off, a lot of people in this country could try doing that instead of me, me, me.
 
10 Gary Rowells said:
He may be but this needed to be said before the WC and there needed to be boycotts etc. It was exactly the same when Southgate said the people who built the stadiums wanted it to go ahead. Football needs to stop pretending it has moral values, things like rainbow laces and anything like that because all that matters is money. Its so easy for Neville to pontificate from the TV studio but lets be clear that's all he does - pontificate. Football is rotten and all the TV companies, Sky, the Premier League are all in cahoots with it. Nothing will change in Qatar or in Saudi Arabia when they, no doubt, get a future World Cup. Neville may be correct but talk is cheap and that is all we get from Gary Neville.
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So I take it, when we get back to the premier league you won’t be watching us? You know, because it’s in cahoots with the Saudis
 
CaptainRed said:
Ultimately if he was really bothered about workers rights he would have refused the £1.6m to help promote the tournament. Simple as that. What I will say is that if he decided to donate the money he's earned from his time in Qatar to the families the workers killed building the stadiums and studeos he's spent the last month in then at least that woullid be some sort of positive gesture.
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Have you listened to what he's actually said? If so, you've spectacularly missed his point.











He's highlighting the hypocrisy of us in this country when we have nurses using food banks. Critising others for having poor workers rights when our own government is diluting our own rights is hypocrisy.
 
cornish cat said:
Do you know that people you don't follow can appear on your Twitter timeline?
The Twitter image shows the option to 'follow' on it - why would that be the case if Hugh Gains was already following her?
You clearly know something about her - so what should we read into that?
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He hasn't posted an image, he's posted a link to the tweet, so it would show Follow regardless whether he's actually following her or not.
 
walesie said:
Have you listened to what he's actually said? If so, you've spectacularly missed his point.











He's highlighting the hypocrisy of us in this country when we have nurses using food banks. Critising others for having poor workers rights when our own government is diluting our own rights is hypocrisy.
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Whilst being paid £1.6m to sit in a studio which 1000s of workers were killed building. They were treated far worse than any nurse over here yet he was still more than happy to take Qatars money.

He does actually have a valid point but he is 100% the wrong person to be making it.
 
CaptainRed said:
Whilst being paid £1.6m to sit in a studio which 1000s of workers were killed building. They were treated far worse than any nurse over here yet he was still more than happy to take Qatars money.



He does actually have a valid point but he is 100% the wrong person to be making it.
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So it's gone from the 'biggest act of virtue signalling ' to actually he has a point.
 
Geronimo said:
Oh dear
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Whats he said that's wrong? It's got nowt to do with him working for a middle Eastern broadcaster, that'd a totally unrelated point.

Morons are just unable to seperate them because it's being used as an excuse to discredit his comments about the government.
 
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