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Saudi Arabia 2030

Skylon said:
I know what you mean, but you'd like to think the world had moved on a bit by now
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Yep. Was mentioned in the post.
Though I still wouldn't doubt FIFA going to Argentina if the climate was the same then as now because of the Europe-South America alternating hosts meant there was almost nowhere you could go in Latin America that would be clean.
Its a strange correlation that these sorts of hosts have increased as the same time a lot of people are extremely sensitive or virtuous about such things, caught in a trap of it being prejudice not to, despite these place having human rights issues.
 

Foggers said:
Yep. Was mentioned in the post.
Though I still wouldn't doubt FIFA going to Argentina if the climate was the same then as now because of the Europe-South America alternating hosts meant there was almost nowhere you could go in Latin America that would be clean.
Its a strange correlation that these sorts of hosts have increased as the same time a lot of people are extremely sensitive or virtuous about such things, caught in a trap of it being prejudice not to, despite these place having human rights issues.
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That's my point about money mate. It trumps absolutely everything in football nowadays. Morals getting shoved to one side for more and more cash.
 
North Yorks Mackem said:
Well of course its not OK if criminal gangs exist in this country. But that's the difference its a crime over here (which our state tries to eradicate) and its not over there. Why's that so hard to compute?
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I do compute it and get what you are saying. I'm merely pointing out that it happens in both countries. All you can say is its illegal here, you don't seem to be able to acknowledge the same problems exist . I'm sure alot of the 'slavery' is legal in qatar they just have different laws and rules, most of it will no doubt be a crime over there, yet here it would most likely be.
Not sure why you cannot compute my point. I don't completely agree with you In saying our country tries to eradicate it.
 
robbied1 said:
I do compute it and get what you are saying. I'm merely pointing out that it happens in both countries. All you can say is its illegal here, you don't seem to be able to acknowledge the same problems exist . I'm sure alot of the 'slavery' is legal in qatar they just have different laws and rules, most of it will no doubt be a crime over there, yet here it would most likely be.
Not sure why you cannot compute my point. I don't completely agree with you In saying our country tries to eradicate it.
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You're wrong. Nothing about what we've described is illegal in Qatar, nor is there any intention on the part of the government to make it so.

What you seem to also be missing is the vast scale of that system in Qatar. There are literally hundreds of thousands of people in Qatar working in such conditions out of a total population of around 3 million. At the same percentages you'd be talking more than 10 million near-slaves in the UK. Is that your serious contention?
 
SYB_DC said:
You're wrong. Nothing about what we've described is illegal in Qatar, nor is there any intention on the part of the government to make it so.

What you seem to also be missing is the vast scale of that system in Qatar. There are literally hundreds of thousands of people in Qatar working in such conditions out of a total population of around 3 million. At the same percentages you'd be talking more than 10 million near-slaves in the UK. Is that your serious contention?
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No it's not, I agree with you there.
I did explain it in a way that I thought it wouldn't be a crime, not saying in black and white it would be.
 
SYB_DC said:
You're wrong. Nothing about what we've described is illegal in Qatar, nor is there any intention on the part of the government to make it so.

What you seem to also be missing is the vast scale of that system in Qatar. There are literally hundreds of thousands of people in Qatar working in such conditions out of a total population of around 3 million. At the same percentages you'd be talking more than 10 million near-slaves in the UK. Is that your serious contention?
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When was the last time over 8,000 people, being kept in virtual servitude died building something in Britain?
 
There are loads of false equivalences going on at the minute. Although his hearts in the right place about the shite pay nurses get, Gary neville comparing it to the migrant workers in qatar is wholly wrong. I think people try to make out Britain is as bad as these places, to clear their own conscience about being sportswashed
 
SYB_DC said:
So what, then, is your point besides trying to create a false equivalency between two things that are not remotely equivalent?
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Not at all, I'm basically saying the same things go on in this country, thats a fact. Its easy to point the finger over there, but things happen over here too, not just the slavery.
I'm talking about the completely bias coverage that has been directed towards qatar when the authorities in the West let just as bad a things happen, if not worse.
 
robbied1 said:
Not at all, I'm basically saying the same things go on in this country, thats a fact. Its easy to point the finger over there, but things happen over here too, not just the slavery.
I'm talking about the completely bias coverage that has been directed towards qatar when the authorities in the West let just as bad a things happen, if not worse.
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Like the fella says. False equivalences
 
robbied1 said:
Not at all, I'm basically saying the same things go on in this country, thats a fact. Its easy to point the finger over there, but things happen over here too, not just the slavery.
I'm talking about the completely bias coverage that has been directed towards qatar when the authorities in the West let just as bad a things happen, if not worse.
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This thread in 2030:

Everyone: "It's not very moral to have the World Cup in Saudi Arabia, where the government routinely conducts public beheadings of people convicted of minor crimes."

You: "People get murdered every day in the UK!"

See why that's not going to convince many folks that you're right?
 
robbied1 said:
Not at all, I'm basically saying the same things go on in this country, thats a fact. Its easy to point the finger over there, but things happen over here too, not just the slavery.
I'm talking about the completely bias coverage that has been directed towards qatar when the authorities in the West let just as bad a things happen, if not worse.
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Point us to the state-sponsored servitude and death in the construction of buildings over here...
 
SYB_DC said:
This thread in 2030:

Everyone: "It's not very moral to have the World Cup in Saudi Arabia, where the government routinely conducts public beheadings of people convicted of minor crimes."

You: "People get murdered every day in the UK!"

See why that's not going to convince many folks that you're right?
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For a start you are making things up now with your quotes, maybe you need to do that to get abit of gratification from the like button. I'm not here to convince anyone, unlike yourself, I don't need the likes or people to agree with me to validate my point.
I'm merely saying there are different ways of looking at it, look at the next World Cup, held in the States, look at the problems there, more likely to be killed there for being gay than in Qatar. Where their government allows these practices to happen, but its ok i here you say because there are laws against it..
Will the British media take their country to bits politically...NO
 
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