Put a flat earthier into space

[Nukehasslefan]

Again, this has been said to you millions of times. Your logic is, if you havent seen something with your own eyes then its not true. I havent seen the Sahara desert, the pyramids, Sydney harbour bridge so I guess they arent real either

But you can go and see any of them and argue for that point.
We are not arguing this, so do you have any proof for your spinning globe?

@Nukehasslefan can you name anything you believe in that the rest of us would consider normal? I know you don't like to give detail, but it would be appreciated if you could tell us that anything we understand is correct?

Maybe offer some things and see what transpires.

 

[The Snockerty Friddle]

There's a reason lakes and oceans and ponds and baths and sinks and even cups are not filled from the outside. Can you guess why?

Because someone raised a point you cant deal with and you want to deflect? Yes, that'll be it.
But for the record, they're all filled from the outside.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Tried and tested method.

A long time ago, people used to worship all sorts of gods. They would build idols and that idol would be their god. All the village would worship it. Then invaders would come, smash the idol and that god would be dead. They would replace them with their own god idols and the village would end up worshipping the new god.

Then Abraham came out of the desert proclaiming a new religion. This had an omnipotent god, one that could not be destroyed. "Though shall not make false idols" god commanded, and all of a sudden you have a god that no human can kill, so the religion was set to persist. Two of his sons took this new religion forward, one in one direction one in the other. Over 2000 years ago, one bright idea of making a completely unproven idea bullet proof by concept, and both the Christian and Muslim faiths still exist either directly or as derivatives of that first idea from Abraham.

This is just a twist on the same idea. "I have loads of stuff I made up in my own head. No you can't build a model, experiment, maths or even draw a diagram of it, you just have to think for yourself logically and try to forget the lies drummed into you.". It is religion mixed with the Emperors new clothes. Make up stuff then pretend that anyone who can't see it, just isn't quite as clever as you and is following a schooled narrative. Providing you just wave away millions of bits of evidence for the standard model as a 'global mindset', you are on safe ground.

This describes the global model and all of the tidbits associated with it.

 

[Pink Panther]

There's a reason lakes and oceans and ponds and baths and sinks and even cups are not filled from the outside. Can you guess why?

Is it to trap mentalists?

Also, where is your proof that oceans aren't filled from the outside?

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Anyone capable of standing in a darkened room with a torch in their hand can prove that we don't live in a cell with a projector.

How?

Is it to trap mentalists?

Also, where is your proof that oceans aren't filled from the outside?

If you feel you can upturn a container and fill it from the outside so water conforms evenly to it all around then I'll happily go back to what I was schooled into.

 

[Pink Panther]

How?

It appears to be ways you wouldn't understand, or refused to read about earlier.

 

[BigPete]

Have you ever seen a rocket lift off?

Thrust to mass ratio. The Rockets have to lift off under full thrust for a reason.
Take a look at large-model rockets and even missiles.
And then go and look at the Hollywood versions and notice the slow-motion TV lift-off.

Rocket scientist today are we?

 

[Pink Panther]

If you feel you can upturn a container and fill it from the outside so water conforms evenly to it all around then I'll happily go back to what I was schooled into.

I've seen no evidence of schooling.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Rocket scientist today are we?

Not much to a rocket to be fair. Unless it's a Hollywood one.

I've seen no evidence of schooling.

And that's how good it's been.

 

[The Snockerty Friddle]

How?

I could explain but would you understand? Maybe.
Would you just wave it aside as insignificant? Absolutely.
Have I already explained it? At least once.

Stand in a darkened room and wave the torch around. You will soon know the shape of the room, you will be able to tell if walls are flat or curved, where the corners are, where walls meet floor and where anything else is within the room.
The exact same thing would apply if you had a projector inside a cell. Only you don't.

 

[DaveH]

How?

If you feel you can upturn a container and fill it from the outside so water conforms evenly to it all around then I'll happily go back to what I was schooled into.

such childlike reasoning, which is the crux of your whole belief system.

I can fill a cup from a tap. Water goes in cup and doesn't fall out if I hold it upright. Water in cup looks flat, so the earth must be flat.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

I could explain but would you understand? Maybe.

Ok if that's what you think then it's your prerogative.

Would you just wave it aside as insignificant? Absolutely.

If it is that, yes.

Have I already explained it? At least once.

No you haven't.

Stand in a darkened room and wave the torch around. You will soon know the shape of the room, you will be able to tell if walls are flat or curved, where the corners are, where walls meet floor and where anything else is within the room.

And?

The exact same thing would apply if you had a projector inside a cell. Only you don't.

Wrong. It would be nothing like that.

 

[Pancho]

There's a reason lakes and oceans and ponds and baths and sinks and even cups are not filled from the outside. Can you guess why?

You have a toddler's capacity for logical thought.

 

[The Snockerty Friddle]

Wrong. It would be nothing like that.

How so?

 

[DaveH]

This describes the global model and all of the tidbits associated with it.

ah the well reasoned "I know you are" response.

Like I said, dismiss the millions of bits of evidence for reality and you can easily dismiss it as you have done. What you can't seem to do is explain why any of the things we observe on a globe is wrong or demonstrate how your fantasy world works with any level of details.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

such childlike reasoning, which is the crux of your whole belief system.

The strange thing is it's absolute spot-on reasoning because that's what you are putting forward on a large scale.

I can fill a cup from a tap. Water goes in cup and doesn't fall out if I hold it upright.

Just as it won't on Earth inside the container. A container that you offer a spinning ball.

Water in cup looks flat, so the earth must be flat.

Water in any container shows it seeks a level. What it does prove is Earth not being a spinning globe.

 

[Pancho]

such childlike reasoning, which is the crux of your whole belief system.

I can fill a cup from a tap. Water goes in cup and doesn't fall out if I hold it upright. Water in cup looks flat, so the earth must be flat.

Snap.

 

[DaveH]

You have a toddler's capacity for logical thought.

I disagree.

I remember my daughter being very small and asking about the changing shape of the moon. So we turned the lights off, got a torch and a few balls then started moving them around the room to see what would happen. We got changing 'moon' phases. She sat, thought about it, tried it herself for a while and then when my wife came in wondering what we were doing, perfectly described and demonstrated the phases of the moon.

She was far more advanced that someone believing in a fantasy explanation for the presence of the moon itself and not being able to get a convex dome and a torch to demonstrate physically to a small child (or anyone) exactly what we see in the night sky.

The strange thing is it's absolute spot-on reasoning because that's what you are putting forward on a large scale.

Just as it won't on Earth inside the container. A container that you offer a spinning ball.

Water in any container shows it seeks a level. What it does prove is Earth not being a spinning globe.

So do you still maintain that you should be able to measure the curve of the earth with a spirit level in a bath?

 

[The Snockerty Friddle]

How so?

That's going to be one of those unanswered ones right?

 

[Nukehasslefan]

You have a toddler's capacity for logical thought.

Your mate said that also so it must be correct.

ah the well reasoned "I know you are" response.

Like I said, dismiss the millions of bits of evidence for reality and you can easily dismiss it as you have done.

It's easy to dismiss them when you know they're so far from reality.

What you can't seem to do is explain why any of the things we observe on a globe is wrong or demonstrate how your fantasy world works with any level of details.

I gave you the biggest one and even though you try your best to throw it aside, it's not going away.

So do you still maintain that you should be able to measure the curve of the earth with a spirit level in a bath?

No need to. Just measure the level of the water. That's all that's needed.