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Put a flat earthier into space

Nukehasslefan said:
Science is realism. Space is not.
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You've redefined nearly every field and made up your own rules. None of which are allowed to be tested.

It's a class crutch to use like. Invent something (or at least take it from flat earth bible) and then put on the caveat that it's not possible to test for any of it, i.e. can't see the dome, can't detect the stacked layers, can't see the central projector. It's a class get out of jail card. A theory where nothing can or is allowed to be detected. Mint stuff.
 

Pancho said:
As I said, kryptonite.

You have no wriggle room on this topic.

Not a single flat earther has been able to produce a viable flight plan.

If you check Flightradar24 now, there are literally hundreds of planes debunking your gormless theories as we speak.
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This is a really easy one though. They lie. Job done.

Obviously airline companies and lets not forget about shipping companies are happy to support the lie, by going sub-optimal (or completely barking mad) routes so that if examined they match what you would expect if we live on a globe. Yes I know history has been filled with severe competition for trade, military gain, kudos and exploration, where people have made faster and faster ships or planes that can carry greater loads. Yes it would have really tempting for one of those many nations and many transport companies to just shave a bit off their route, but no, they are all happy to lie and swallow the additional cost. Some have gone bankrupt with traveling longer routes to help pretend we live on a globe.

This is not a paranoid delusion at all.
 
The Snockerty Friddle said:
No it doesn't. Not when they can look at evidence, repeat the experiments and see the results for themselves, there is no need for just deciding whether to believe or not.
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I agree and that's why water finding its own level and conforming to any container it is in and not conforming to the outside of any object shows 100% we do not live on a spinning globe.
The Snockerty Friddle said:
What proof can you offer up in terms of what you're pretending to believe or not as the case may be or otherwise and whatnot?
See? I could be a flat earther too.
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Be whatever you want to be.
The proof is above.
payne said:
You've redefined nearly every field and made up your own rules. None of which are allowed to be tested.
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It's funny that because the global system is entirely based upon that.
payne said:
It's a class crutch to use like. Invent something (or at least take it from flat earth bible) and then put on the caveat that it's not possible to test for any of it, i.e. can't see the dome, can't detect the stacked layers, can't see the central projector. It's a class get out of jail card. A theory where nothing can or is allowed to be detected. Mint stuff.
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And yet it comes down to whoever can do the jigsaw.
Pancho said:
We have.

You're just too scientifically illiterate to understand the proofs.
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You can offer that as much as you like but remember one thing. You are the one that believes we live on a spinning ball in a space vacuum with a near few plus million-mile circumference of a sun and a big cement-like rock just orbiting your Earth...and so on.
Now the thing with this is, you have absolutely no clue whatsoever if any of that is true and yet you feel qualified to call me scientifically illiterate.

I say you feel free to offer that up but never forget I'm smiling as you do so.
 
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Nukehasslefan said:
I agree and that's why water finding its own level and conforming to any container it is in and not conforming to the outside of any object shows 100% we do not live on a spinning globe.

Be whatever you want to be.
The proof is above.

It's funny that because the global system is entirely based upon that.

And yet it comes down to whoever can do the jigsaw.
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Fuck the globe. You don't think anything is correct. Right angles aren't even on the up and up for you.

Whether you say the words or not you do think you know better than everyone else even if they are a specialist. It's crazy. I mean is there a field of expertise that you would trust? We obviously know you don't trust anyone in astronomy, physics, vaccines, mathematics, navigation, fight, to name a few. Do you trust people who make spirit levels are genuine for example?
 
Nukehasslefan said:
I agree and that's why water finding its own level and conforming to any container it is in and not conforming to the outside of any object shows 100% we do not live on a spinning globe.
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The container part is entirely superfluous and the finding its own level bit has been explained to you so many times it's ridiculous that you refuse to acknowledge it.
Nukehasslefan said:
Be whatever you want to be.
The proof is above.
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It is above, below and all around us and all of it supports the globe, not one single piece supports your fantasy.
 
Lukas73 said:
Just checking in....

Still mental...

As you were...
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Just go easy on him today. Days like that are not good for the "that's no moon, it's a chicken*" conspiracy theorists. You get a partial solar eclipse behaving EXACTLY as mathematics predicted years ago and what can they do? They can't produce mathematics to predict anything, they can't explain an eclipse in a rational way and whatever daft idea they come up with, it certainly can't be replicated in a lab/model environment to give it any credence. They all get a bit anxious while a lot of the population give a little bit of interest to astronomy for a few hours (or just reading an article), because you have something that matches perfectly the standard model of reality up against nothing but waffle. They are pushed further to the fringes and get stressed about what they think is people following a paranoid lie.


* replace 'chicken' with any other object or concept depending on the particular fantasy land the speaker thinks they live in.
 
Nukehasslefan said:
Same again.
Just admit you can't offer any proof. I agree you can offer stories by regurgitation but that's not proof, is it?
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Would proof to you be something that is a completely new that's never been uttered by another human or written in a book? Your rules about authority suggest that you can't and won't accept anything that a human has ever mentioned before?

Are they the rules?
 
DaveH said:
Just go easy on him today. Days like that are not good for the "that's no moon, it's a chicken*" conspiracy theorists. You get a partial solar eclipse behaving EXACTLY as mathematics predicted years ago and what can they do? They can't produce mathematics to predict anything, they can't explain an eclipse in a rational way and whatever daft idea they come up with, it certainly can't be replicated in a lab/model environment to give it any credence. They all get a bit anxious while a lot of the population give a little bit of interest to astronomy for a few hours (or just reading an article), because you have something that matches perfectly the standard model of reality up against nothing but waffle. They are pushed further to the fringes and get stressed about what they think is people following a paranoid lie.


* replace 'chicken' with any other object or concept depending on the particular fantasy land the speaker thinks they live in.
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The Death Star was flat or a projection or something. Even all of the photos are CGI.
 
payne said:
Fuck the globe. You don't think anything is correct. Right angles aren't even on the up and up for you.
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Nothing wrong with right angles. But I do agree with you about the globe.
payne said:
Whether you say the words or not you do think you know better than everyone else even if they are a specialist.
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Not at all. But you are welcome to think I do and it becomes your truth. As for me, It matters not.
payne said:
It's crazy. I mean is there a field of expertise that you would trust?
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It actually depends on what you have in min d. You see trusting a field is one thing but trusting the entirety of the set up may well be another.
payne said:
We obviously know you don't trust anyone in astronomy,
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Correct.
payne said:
physics,
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Wrong.
payne said:
vaccines
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Wrong.
payne said:
, mathematics,
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Mathematics is fine for the reality they are offered for.
payne said:
navigation
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No issues with navigation, just the overall reasoning for how it's achieved in terms of a globe.
payne said:
, fight,
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I take this to mean flight. I have the same issues with flight as in not beliving it happens over a globe. The rest is acceptable.
payne said:
to name a few. Do you trust people who make spirit levels are genuine for example?
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Absolutely.
 
Nukehasslefan said:
Same again.
Just admit you can't offer any proof. I agree you can offer stories by regurgitation but that's not proof, is it?
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Again, this has been said to you millions of times. Your logic is, if you havent seen something with your own eyes then its not true. I havent seen the Sahara desert, the pyramids, Sydney harbour bridge so I guess they arent real either :lol:
 
@Nukehasslefan can you name anything you believe in that the rest of us would consider normal? I know you don't like to give detail, but it would be appreciated if you could tell us that anything we understand is correct?
 
payne said:
You've redefined nearly every field and made up your own rules. None of which are allowed to be tested.

It's a class crutch to use like. Invent something (or at least take it from flat earth bible) and then put on the caveat that it's not possible to test for any of it, i.e. can't see the dome, can't detect the stacked layers, can't see the central projector. It's a class get out of jail card. A theory where nothing can or is allowed to be detected. Mint stuff.
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Tried and tested method.

A long time ago, people used to worship all sorts of gods. They would build idols and that idol would be their god. All the village would worship it. Then invaders would come, smash the idol and that god would be dead. They would replace them with their own god idols and the village would end up worshipping the new god.

Then Abraham came out of the desert proclaiming a new religion. This had an omnipotent god, one that could not be destroyed. "Though shall not make false idols" god commanded, and all of a sudden you have a god that no human can kill, so the religion was set to persist. Two of his sons took this new religion forward, one in one direction one in the other. Over 2000 years ago, one bright idea of making a completely unproven idea bullet proof by concept, and both the Christian and Muslim faiths still exist either directly or as derivatives of that first idea from Abraham.

This is just a twist on the same idea. "I have loads of stuff I made up in my own head. No you can't build a model, experiment, maths or even draw a diagram of it, you just have to think for yourself logically and try to forget the lies drummed into you.". It is religion mixed with the Emperors new clothes. Make up stuff then pretend that anyone who can't see it, just isn't quite as clever as you and is following a schooled narrative. Providing you just wave away millions of bits of evidence for the standard model as a 'global mindset', you are on safe ground.
 
The Snockerty Friddle said:
The container part is entirely superfluous and the finding its own level bit has been explained to you so many times it's ridiculous that you refuse to acknowledge it.

It is above, below and all around us and all of it supports the globe, not one single piece supports your fantasy.
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There's a reason lakes and oceans and ponds and baths and sinks and even cups are not filled from the outside. Can you guess why?
 
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