AC Mack
Striker
Then you need to decide what constitutes adding time on at the end and what doesn't. It's very open to interpretation.
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Players time wasting
- Thread starter LondonMackem
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Then you need to decide what constitutes adding time on at the end and what doesn't. It's very open to interpretation.
Yes it could be done. I would prefer an independent assessor who could instruct the referee accordingly. For example, anything over half a minute for a goal celebration could be added on ...
Laidback Jack
Striker
What annoys me is when a referee keeps warning players. It makes fuck all difference having a word with them, only one they'll stop doing it is by booking them.
That goes for niggly little fouls as well.
But our players are naive as well mind. Soon as they get the goal back and it goes 2-1, we are naive to open it back up as well.
That goes for niggly little fouls as well.
But our players are naive as well mind. Soon as they get the goal back and it goes 2-1, we are naive to open it back up as well.
No. I’d say most injuries aren’t from fouls. Upgrade it to serious foul play then. Something has to be done, either this or shorter halves with a stop clock, the current product is spend £26-40 for just over a half of football. It’s broken.
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It is not just the time lost. It is the constant interruptions which make it harder to concentrate on a game.
AC Mack
Striker
The problem then being that the physio is still having to come on, the player can have 25 seconds treatment and then he'll go off to the sideline slowly. It still takes a lot of time and I don't think the rule would come into force very often.
Hang on, I was thinking you'd said 30 seconds for the physio but that was a different post.
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Just my two pennies worth. I don’t pretend it’s a perfect. Other sports like rugby if you feign injury mid game you just often knacker your own team, we need similar in football. I can tolerate errors like Blackburn tbh, but can’t tolerate referees that kill 46 minutes of football through inactivity. f***ing ridiculous.
rey mysterio
Striker
At the very least the clock should be stopped for substitutions.
soapster
Striker
It has been said for years, even going back to Roker Park, that the idea is to silence the crowd, especially in the first 20 minutes.
At one game last season, we noticed time wasting started at 1 minute 38 seconds
so part of the time wasting is to stop momentum (silence the crowd, stops encouragement from the fans) but agree with your other points
AC Mack
Striker
My biggest issue with a lot of the ideas is that they encourage opponents to injure players, or reward them for doing so.
That would then lead to calls for doing the same at other junctures. See goal line technology > VAR.
What was the time wasting after 1 minute last season?
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samaistonsrightfoot
Striker
Momemtum is different to time wasting though. Momentum is as much as tripping someone over or kicking it out etc.
Time wasting controls how long a game of football is played.
It shouldn't be allowed that Burnley (just using as an example) can play 55 mins a week and Preston play 45 before any other considerations are taken into account. Football teams should not be in control of the clock.
Momentum will always be dictated by anything that happens on the pitch whatsoever.
soapster
Striker
It was to do with a throw in, several players throwing the ball to each to take it and eventually a player from the other side of the pitch, slowly trotted over to take it
it is stopping the momentum that is the issue. It can be caused, by time wasting. silly fouls, going down injured, when not. claiming to have been when not.
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samaistonsrightfoot
Striker
There's 20 mins remaining on the clock and we go a goal behind. One player rolls around for 5 minutes reducing it to 15, another player takes 6 minutes taking three throw ins reducing it to 9. A keeper takes 3 mins taking a couple of goal kicks reducing it to 6 and a fourth players gets cramp and is down 5 mins so we get 1 minute to score an equaliser.
But the problem is that in that 1 minute (instead of the 20 we should have had) there is a loss of momentum?
I know its been suggested before, but I think rugby union style of timekeeping is the answer.
* Independent timekeeper not the referee
* The clock is visible to everyone in the stadium, but is stopped when the ball is not live. The time is not added on at the end.
* Have a set time of play. Not sure what this should be, but based on how little time out of 90 minutes the ball is live, then perhaps 35 minutes per half. Needs thinking about
* The game ends, when the ball goes out of play after the (say) 70 minutes are up. Free kicks or penalties after the 70 minutes would be allowed and the game only stopped when the ball goes out. This might be seconds or minutes depending on how good a team chasing the game are at keeping the ball.
* This then gets rid of the incentive to waste time for its own sake by whichever means, either pretending to be injured, a slow walk off the pitch when substituted, time taken for throw ins and goal kicks etc. There are still potential benefits for time wasting in terms of trying to stop momentum as opposed to running the clock down, but you the game would still end up with the same amount of live time regardless.
Its a bit of a cultural shift for football, but achievable as a means of getting rid of time wasting. PowerPoint presentation available on request.
* Independent timekeeper not the referee
* The clock is visible to everyone in the stadium, but is stopped when the ball is not live. The time is not added on at the end.
* Have a set time of play. Not sure what this should be, but based on how little time out of 90 minutes the ball is live, then perhaps 35 minutes per half. Needs thinking about
* The game ends, when the ball goes out of play after the (say) 70 minutes are up. Free kicks or penalties after the 70 minutes would be allowed and the game only stopped when the ball goes out. This might be seconds or minutes depending on how good a team chasing the game are at keeping the ball.
* This then gets rid of the incentive to waste time for its own sake by whichever means, either pretending to be injured, a slow walk off the pitch when substituted, time taken for throw ins and goal kicks etc. There are still potential benefits for time wasting in terms of trying to stop momentum as opposed to running the clock down, but you the game would still end up with the same amount of live time regardless.
Its a bit of a cultural shift for football, but achievable as a means of getting rid of time wasting. PowerPoint presentation available on request.
No one’s saying remove red cards
AC Mack
Striker
Gooch took an age to take a throw in very early on against Blackpool.
Again, most challenges that injure players aren't red cards so it's a moot point.
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Most aren’t even fouls. So I don’t see how players would deliberately start targeting to ignore others without it being obvious and a red card
AC Mack
Striker
I'd like to see some stats. I just think that it sets a potentially dangerous precedent when you start having to take 'injured' players off for a period of the game.
I think there's something in the idea that the rule needs to be explicit for when a player has been fouled and when he hasn't.
Monkton mackem
Striker
Keepers going down with mystery knocks just so the manager can get everyone together on the touch line to change things round a bit. Stop the players congregating on sideline if this does happen.
