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Any Sunderland strongholds left ?

My grandad did the whoever was at home thing , that stopped in the 50s early 60s he said.

By the 70s everyone was kicking the shit out of each other.
 

Eric gates hair said:
My grandad did the whoever was at home thing , that stopped in the 50s early 60s he said.

By the 70s everyone was kicking the shit out of each other.
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My dad did also. Not sure when he stopped, but I know he’d stopped going to games regularly by the time my brother was born in 1972.

My dad’s cousin had a season ticket at both until about 1990. He was a paraplegic and got about on sticks, until he was confined to the wheelchair. He didn’t have much of a life because he never married (some would say that was a blessing!) and was that way from an accident down the pit when he was young. So I guess the football was his outlet. He was also a massive cricket fan.
 
Randy Savage said:
My dad did also. Not sure when he stopped, but I know he’d stopped going to games regularly by the time my brother was born in 1972.

My dad’s cousin had a season ticket at both until about 1990. He was a paraplegic and got about on sticks, until he was confined to the wheelchair. He didn’t have much of a life because he never married (some would say that was a blessing!) and was that way from an accident down the pit when he was young. So I guess the football was his outlet. He was also a massive cricket fan.
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Poor fella, sounds like he enjoyed his life the best he could.
 
Qwerty said:
Poor fella, sounds like he enjoyed his life the best he could.
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Aye, just got on with it. In later years when he was just an armchair fan he followed us only.

Back when he used to have a ST at Roker he had a (disabled) space out the front. Him and Bob Stokoe had similar cars right next to each other. This was always something he took great pride in. Rover’s I believe, but I might be mistaken!

My dad is and always has been red and white. Just used to go up the road for a day out when that was a thing.
 
Northumberland said:
Can i ask a serious question .
Do lads south of the tyne see ... north of the tyne as 99% mags ?
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No wish to speak for anyone, but I suspect a fair proportion of them may well assume that.

Of course, as we both know, there is SAFC support in pretty much every town in Northumberland...
Northumberland Rocks said:
Good support in Amble, Newbiggin by the Sea and Swarland.
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and Alnwick, Ashington, Stakeford, Bedlington, Morpeth, Cramlington...

SAFC Travel Club picked up in those places for away games all through the 70s-80s... and coaches used to run to RP for home games from Bedlington, Seaton Delaval etc...
 
Eric gates hair said:
My grandad did the whoever was at home thing , that stopped in the 50s early 60s he said.

By the 70s everyone was kicking the shit out of each other.
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Yep, seemed like things started to polarize from the mid/late 60s when a violent edge started to develop amongst younger fans. The rise of the skinhead subculture and the beginnings of terrace chanting etc started to create more of a tribalistic mentality amongst impressionable new younger fans. This manifested itself partly with the 'end taking' by Sunderland fans in the Leazes at SJP and Newcastle fans in the Fulwell at RP in the 68-70 period.

Looking at it from a wider historical perspective, these would also have been the first generation of 18–21-year-olds who hadn't had to go away for 3 years doing national service. My dad (89 now) is adamant to this day that young lads became more parochial and tribal because they hadn't been away and seen the world and developed that bigger picture perspective that travelling and meeting and working with people from different parts of the country was gained by doing NS.

I would have started going to matches at RP with my dad and uncle at the back end of the 60s when this tribal mentality and trouble was just starting with fans of other clubs. This wasn't just Newcastle BTW - I also seem to vaguely recall trouble in and/or around RP with Wolves and Leeds fans late 60s then Sheff Wed early 70s.

As you suggest, it's fair to say that things had changed pretty spectacularly by the 70s and any 'derby' games (mainly "friendlies" (LOL) and testimonials then) became far more violent off the field due to this new generation of fans. By the time of the resumption of league derbies in the late 70s things had become particularly nasty both home and away (far more so than anything since then) with those young fans from a decade or so earlier retaining that violent tribal attitude being joined by the new generation of 'bovver boys' influenced by the punk and anarchy attitude of the late 70s.

Looking back, it's astonishing how drastically things changed in just a decade...
 
Aladdin Sane said:
Yep, seemed like things started to polarize from the mid/late 60s when a violent edge started to develop amongst younger fans. The rise of the skinhead subculture and the beginnings of terrace chanting etc started to create more of a tribalistic mentality amongst impressionable new younger fans. This manifested itself partly with the 'end taking' by Sunderland fans in the Leazes at SJP and Newcastle fans in the Fulwell at RP in the 68-70 period.

Looking at it from a wider historical perspective, these would also have been the first generation of 18–21-year-olds who hadn't had to go away for 3 years doing national service. My dad (89 now) is adamant to this day that young lads became more parochial and tribal because they hadn't been away and seen the world and developed that bigger picture perspective that travelling and meeting and working with people from different parts of the country was gained by doing NS.

I would have started going to matches at RP with my dad and uncle at the back end of the 60s when this tribal mentality and trouble was just starting with fans of other clubs. This wasn't just Newcastle BTW - I also seem to vaguely recall trouble in and/or around RP with Wolves and Leeds fans late 60s then Sheff Wed early 70s.

As you suggest, it's fair to say that things had changed pretty spectacularly by the 70s and any 'derby' games (mainly "friendlies" (LOL) and testimonials then) became far more violent off the field due to this new generation of fans. By the time of the resumption of league derbies in the late 70s things had become particularly nasty both home and away (far more so than anything since then) with those young fans from a decade or so earlier retaining that violent tribal attitude being joined by the new generation of 'bovver boys' influenced by the punk and anarchy attitude of the late 70s.

Looking back, it's astonishing how drastically things changed in just a decade...
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Tremendous post that mind .


Are you are historian ?
 
SAFCOldie said:
A little shout out for Darlo, clearly not a stronghold but literally every time mates introduce me to some new folk or I get chatting with a different group there is always an SAFC fan and by that I mean a long term follower with a season ticket etc , it's uncanny and this has been the case for 25 year.
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What’s the proportions of support down there? My assumption is that it’s full of plastic mags (particularly the youth).
 
NorthCountryBoy said:
What’s the proportions of support down there? My assumption is that it’s full of plastic mags (particularly the youth).
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It's a mixed bag, hardcore Darlo fans and plastic Man Utd, Liverpool fans mainly although to be fair some do actually go to the games. The default position for any none football types is the bigger teams. I expect a lot of these to fall in the Mag category going forward but these types don't matter. When you actually get to the nitty gritty, folks that have travelled following their team for years its very much an even split between Darlo/Boro/Sunderland/Mags and some Leeds. The devil is in the detail and you can always tell a true supporter as they can recall away games etc and you can chat seriously so for me the serious unvocal majority are Darlo, Sunderland, Boro, this is what I've found over 25 year.
 
Aladdin Sane said:
Yep, seemed like things started to polarize from the mid/late 60s when a violent edge started to develop amongst younger fans. The rise of the skinhead subculture and the beginnings of terrace chanting etc started to create more of a tribalistic mentality amongst impressionable new younger fans. This manifested itself partly with the 'end taking' by Sunderland fans in the Leazes at SJP and Newcastle fans in the Fulwell at RP in the 68-70 period.

Looking at it from a wider historical perspective, these would also have been the first generation of 18–21-year-olds who hadn't had to go away for 3 years doing national service. My dad (89 now) is adamant to this day that young lads became more parochial and tribal because they hadn't been away and seen the world and developed that bigger picture perspective that travelling and meeting and working with people from different parts of the country was gained by doing NS.

I would have started going to matches at RP with my dad and uncle at the back end of the 60s when this tribal mentality and trouble was just starting with fans of other clubs. This wasn't just Newcastle BTW - I also seem to vaguely recall trouble in and/or around RP with Wolves and Leeds fans late 60s then Sheff Wed early 70s.

As you suggest, it's fair to say that things had changed pretty spectacularly by the 70s and any 'derby' games (mainly "friendlies" (LOL) and testimonials then) became far more violent off the field due to this new generation of fans. By the time of the resumption of league derbies in the late 70s things had become particularly nasty both home and away (far more so than anything since then) with those young fans from a decade or so earlier retaining that violent tribal attitude being joined by the new generation of 'bovver boys' influenced by the punk and anarchy attitude of the late 70s.

Looking back, it's astonishing how drastically things changed in just a decade...
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Great times like Spirit of 69
 
Aladdin Sane said:
Looking at it from a wider historical perspective, these would also have been the first generation of 18–21-year-olds who hadn't had to go away for 3 years doing national service. My dad (89 now) is adamant to this day that young lads became more parochial and tribal because they hadn't been away and seen the world and developed that bigger picture perspective that travelling and meeting and working with people from different parts of the country was gained by doing NS.
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Interesting point that like and probably a lot of truth in it
thedistingusished said:
Nowt harder than a Mackem from Newcastle
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I've just moved to Gateshead and my son will need thick skin going to school round here like
 
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Eric gates hair said:
Seaham has mags , sad days .
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Sadly you're not wrong there. I mentioned on here the other week about Seaham station being absolutely rammed with them when they play at home these days. Sickening tbh. I dread to think what's going to happen these next few years if the do actually start to win things (I still think it'll end in tears mind) and it's going to be worse still if we can't drag ourselves back into the Premier League soon.
 
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