Put a flat earthier into space

[legend7]

I think he believes he has done things, which is why he says it. But can't put any details down because he hasn't.

I think he has imagined things but that's different to trying them and seeing if they work.
I mean I've imagined bucking Katie Melua but I can't claim to have been there unfortunately.

What about the long answer...

Noooooooooooooooooooooo.

Don't forget he doesn't believe all short things are short or all long things are long, measurements and distance are an issue for him.

 

[The Snockerty Friddle]

You don't have any proof for s spinning globe. None at all no matter how much you say you have.
If you think you definitely have then show me your proof. That's all I'm asking for.

I have and I have pointed you in the right direction more than once. You know this and have chosen to ignore it, then claim it wouldn't prove anything anyway and then ask for it again.

I've given plenty of snippets but naturally, they're waved away as I would expect.

Highly detailed snippers that allow others to replicate? No, because you have no experiment at all beyond looking at water.

You don't, you're just following the narrative and I understand that.

This is way more insulting than calling you stupid.

 

[Pancho]

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[SYB_DC]

Simple experiments. Nobody seems to want to do them or they don't want to admit to doing them for fear of finding the reality and daring to argue for it, knowing they would be ridiculed. It's all about having the strength and conviction to do it.
Most will not and I get it.

That seems to include you. How far would you need to go to watch ships coming and going over the horizon?

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Excellent now he admits known distances can't be configured on a 2d map.

Your words, not mine.

Distances that are real and travelled and measured.

t distances will likely be real but some won't and also you don't know if the map you're handed is a real depiction of Earth, you simply go with what is offered over your spinning globe.

So basically the world can't be how you think,

The world may not be how I think. I've said that time and time again.
But then again it may just be closer than people think.
One thing is for sure, it's nothing like people think in terms of being offered a spinning globe..

I'm not saying it's a globe but it's definitely not your lemon squeezer version as you can't put 5 countries on a circle using that model.

If you're not saying it's a globe then you have doubt.

Back to the drawing board Nukey, what next, a washing up bowl world, will that work?

I'm absolutely fine with what I go with.

I wonder if today is the day we will get details of one or two of his "plenty of experiments". I suspect not.

I suspect I'll never get any from you.

That seems to include you. How far would you need to go to watch ships coming and going over the horizon?

Ships don't come over any horizon or go over one.
They are simply blocked out by distance and light through the atmosphere back to your naked eye or brought into view as they get closer to your vision.
You can bring your ship back with a scope.
This shouldn't be happening if it was a globe.

 

[legend7]

Your words, not mine.

t distances will likely be real but some won't and also you don't know if the map you're handed is a real depiction of Earth, you simply go with what is offered over your spinning globe.

The world may not be how I think. I've said that time and time again.
But then again it may just be closer than people think.
One thing is for sure, it's nothing like people think in terms of being offered a spinning globe..

If you're not saying it's a globe then you have doubt.

I'm absolutely fine with what I go with.

I suspect I'll never get any from you.

Well you can't, I've offered to let you "configure" it any way you want, which was the same from the start tbf, complete fail.
If in your words "these distances can equally work on a 2d map" why can't I find one anywhere, not even on the Internet that's full of your fellow flat earth loons, do you have a link to one to back up your statement, if you don't then your statement is incorrect at best.
Distances are travelled and measured, highways are built, these distances are without dispute, only a simpleton would think they may be thousands of miles out like you do, 3500 miles from uk to South Africa, whey of course it is. I drove 1600 miles to Lisbon, never mind the whole continent of Africa on top of that.
I have no doubt it's a globe, I'm saying you can't provide any alternative to a globe using known distances, feel free to offer differently.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Well you can't, I've offered to let you "configure" it any way you want, which was the same from the start tbf, complete fail.

You haven't offered anything to me. I decide what I do, not you. Let's be clear about that.

If in your words "these distances can equally work on a 2d map" why can't I find one anywhere, not even on the Internet that's full of your fellow flat earth loons, do you have a link to one to back up your statement, if you don't then your statement is incorrect at best.

Probably because the maps that were made are mostly projections of the fictional globe which naturally skews them due to the so-called southern hemisphere, mainly.
As for you deciding what backup I have or do not have, is no issue to me. It's all yours and you feel free to go with whatever, as I keep saying.

Distances are travelled and measured, highways are built, these distances are without dispute, only a simpleton would think they may be thousands of miles out like you do, 3500 miles from uk to South Africa, whey of course it is. I drove 1600 miles to Lisbon, never mind the whole continent of Africa on top of that.

Highways will offer realistic distances, and I do agree with that.
As for sea and air, I think there are many discrepancies between some of them, obviously.
There's no southern hemisphere for one so there has to be discrepancies.

I have no doubt it's a globe, I'm saying you can't provide any alternative to a globe using known distances, feel free to offer differently.

You changed your tune quick.

 

[legend7]

You haven't offered anything to me. I decide what I do, not you. Let's be clear about that.

Probably because the maps that were made are mostly projections of the fictional globe which naturally skews them due to the so-called southern hemisphere, mainly.
As for you deciding what backup I have or do not have, is no issue to me. It's all yours and you feel free to go with whatever, as I keep saying.

Highways will offer realistic distances, and I do agree with that.
As for sea and air, I think there are many discrepancies between some of them, obviously.
There's no southern hemisphere for one so there has to be discrepancies.


You changed your tune quick.

You keep going on about a globe map we are saying that known distances can't work on a 2d map regardless of if a globe map exists or not.
So you said you have South Africa to UK at about 3500 miles if you look back, your words.
Above you say that highways will offer realistic distances, one highway in Africa which I sent you a link to is about 6000 miles running the length of the country. Explain.
What gradient roughly is it from the lower bowl to the higher central area on your world.
Just roughly, I mean you must know as you know a lot about this world.

 

[payne]

You haven't offered anything to me. I decide what I do, not you. Let's be clear about that.

burn!!!

 

[DaveH]

I suspect I'll never get any from you.

I've given a number of experiments, a lot of observations and simulations/interactive models of how various aspects work. Oh and various photos of planets etc. But if you ignore all that, then absolutely I have never provided anything. Same as ignoring all the evidence of the world we live in, make that go away and there is zero evidence for it.

Can you provide details of an experiment that proves the world is not a globe or that water is always horizontally flat?

 

[SYB_DC]

Ships don't come over any horizon or go over one.
They are simply blocked out by distance and light through the atmosphere back to your naked eye or brought into view as they get closer to your vision.
You can bring your ship back with a scope.
This shouldn't be happening if it was a globe.

No, you really can't. If a ship is 100 miles out to sea and you're standing on the beach, you're not going to be able to see it even with the most powerful "scope" on Earth.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

You keep going on about a globe map we are saying that known distances can't work on a 2d map regardless of if a globe map exists or not.

And I've been trying to tell you the map is wrong.
You keep saying regardless of a globe map but that's the map you are offering for your distances.
I'm telling you the map you're offering for distances is wrong.
Let me make this clear.

If I offer you distances based on my putting up a 2d map, you then say it does not work based on your globe model.

So you said you have South Africa to UK at about 3500 miles if you look back, your words.

Yes, they were my words, and based on a scale that's what it looks like but it's wrong. The entire map is wrong, even for the distances that appear to look reasonably ok to you. It's all wrong.

Above you say that highways will offer realistic distances, one highway in Africa which I sent you a link to is about 6000 miles running the length of the country. Explain.

Simple. I believe the highways but not the highways based on where the entire landmass is located on your global map.

What gradient roughly is it from the lower bowl to the higher central area on your world.

To tell you that I'd have to physically know it.

Just roughly, I mean you must know as you know a lot about this world.

I know more about this Earth than you do.

 

[Pancho]

Your words, not mine.

t distances will likely be real but some won't and also you don't know if the map you're handed is a real depiction of Earth, you simply go with what is offered over your spinning globe.

The world may not be how I think. I've said that time and time again.
But then again it may just be closer than people think.
One thing is for sure, it's nothing like people think in terms of being offered a spinning globe..

If you're not saying it's a globe then you have doubt.

I'm absolutely fine with what I go with.

I suspect I'll never get any from you.

Ships don't come over any horizon or go over one.
They are simply blocked out by distance and light through the atmosphere back to your naked eye or brought into view as they get closer to your vision.
You can bring your ship back with a scope.
This shouldn't be happening if it was a globe.

Absolute 24 carat bollocks and you know it is.

 

[Pink Panther]

I know more about this Earth than you do.

 

[fyl2u]

One thing is for sure, it's nothing like people think in terms of being offered a spinning globe.

Out of all the things you keep repeating that are wrong, this is one of the biggest, because unlike your "musings" about your cellworld, you keep saying that you're 100% certain about this one.

Unfortunately, all the experiments "and whatnot" that you claim prove that the earth isn't a globe are flawed, and would give either the same result regardless of whether the world were a cell or a globe, or would absolutely prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the world is a globe.

You have nothing, zero, no experiments at all that prove that Earth isn't a globe, so every time you say you're "sure" it isn't a globe, you're at best misusing the word "sure" and at worst lying about being sure.

Either way, the Earth absolutely is an oblate spheroid and you're very wrong to suggest you have any evidence whatsoever to the contrary.

Ships don't come over any horizon or go over one.
They are simply blocked out by distance and light through the atmosphere back to your naked eye or brought into view as they get closer to your vision.
You can bring your ship back with a scope.
This shouldn't be happening if it was a globe.

^ ...and this is just drivel. If you truly believe this is true then you've literally never looked out to sea with either the naked eye or with a scope of any kind.

The only explanation I can think of for why you would spout such absolute nonsense would be if you were actually clinically blind.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

I've given a number of experiments, a lot of observations and simulations/interactive models of how various aspects work.

You've offered plenty of stuff from the how to reel off global narratives but you've offered no real proof.

Oh and various photos of planets etc.

No. You offered various photos of lights in the sky.

But if you ignore all that, then absolutely I have never provided anything.

Which is what I've been saying.

Same as ignoring all the evidence of the world we live in, make that go away and there is zero evidence for it.

Correct, if we ignore all the evidence for this Earth it will still be this Earth.

Can you provide details of an experiment that proves the world is not a globe or that water is always horizontally flat?

You can provide them for yourself, the same as anyone else can. It's all there but if you choose to ignore that then your Earth becomes a spinning globe by the story books of fiction/fairy tales.

 

[fyl2u]

There's no southern hemisphere for one so there has to be discrepancies.

Someone better call Australia and let them know they don't exist.

 

[legend7]

And I've been trying to tell you the map is wrong.
You keep saying regardless of a globe map but that's the map you are offering for your distances.
I'm telling you the map you're offering for distances is wrong.
Let me make this clear.

If I offer you distances based on my putting up a 2d map, you then say it does not work based on your globe model.

Yes, they were my words, and based on a scale that's what it looks like but it's wrong. The entire map is wrong, even for the distances that appear to look reasonably ok to you. It's all wrong.

Simple. I believe the highways but not the highways based on where the entire landmass is located on your global map.

To tell you that I'd have to physically know it.


I know more about this Earth than you do.

I'm not, are you absolutely dumb or can't read?
I'm offering distances not from a map but of travelled routes or highways which you agreed would be correct.
So come on then how far do you now think south africa is away from the UK if its not the 3500 miles you said you placed it at?
I said roughly for the gradient not exactly, very roughly will do, in fact very very roughly?
You do know everything about the real world and exactly how veey intricate reflections work so you must have a very basic idea of the gradient?.

 

[fyl2u]

And I've been trying to tell you the map is wrong.
You keep saying regardless of a globe map but that's the map you are offering for your distances.
I'm telling you the map you're offering for distances is wrong.
Let me make this clear.

If I offer you distances based on my putting up a 2d map, you then say it does not work based on your globe model.

Yes, they were my words, and based on a scale that's what it looks like but it's wrong. The entire map is wrong, even for the distances that appear to look reasonably ok to you. It's all wrong.

Simple. I believe the highways but not the highways based on where the entire landmass is located on your global map.

To tell you that I'd have to physically know it.


I know more about this Earth than you do.

Wrong.

You've offered plenty of stuff from the how to reel off global narratives but you've offered no real proof.

No. You offered various photos of lights in the sky.

Which is what I've been saying.

Correct, if we ignore all the evidence for this Earth it will still be this Earth.

You can provide them for yourself, the same as anyone else can. It's all there but if you choose to ignore that then your Earth becomes a spinning globe by the story books of fiction/fairy tales.

Wrong.

 

[What A Waster]

Really lost the plot in the last couple of days.
Just outright denial, rejection and wilful ignorance lately. Not even trying to discuss anything anymore.