Put a flat earthier into space

[Nukehasslefan]

Finally he's started telling the truth, folks.

I've never denied it.
How can I offer a world reality without knowing it?
How can you unless you adhere to the stories told and the model offered to fit that story?

Would love too matey
Maybe one day when you come to your senses we can get a whip round going to show how daft your musings really were

Let's not hold our breath, eh?
We'd be best off going sailing over a level and not trying to sail over a curve.

 

[legend7]

What did I confirm?

I have no real clue.
I have absolutely no idea what the world map is in terms of where the landmass is. All I can do is offer guesses based on what's thrown at me by people who also have no clue.

It really does come down to this but the argument over it comes down to mass acceptance of a story as factual against no acceptance of the story but a guessing game based on the offering of the fiction....IMHO.

So now you say you have no idea of distances, so how do you know how to put places on the map you produced.
Did you just randomly pick them?
You say people have no clue but these roads were built and are driven and therefore measured, the same as planes fly between places and ships.

I have the UK to south Africa at around 3500 miles.

This is where you confirmed.
You originally said you had got mixed up with another country

 

[Nukehasslefan]

It won't be picked apart though, dismissing everything that doesn't suit you is not picking it apart. Failing to understand stuff is not picking it apart.

It is when the stuff being put forward is illogical but believed.
Obviously, those who believe are certainly not going to accept their story is picked apart.
If people can believe water curves around a big globe then I doubt anything would change their mindset, to be fair.

Just for clarity, could you explain your obsession with plates, silver platters etc? Why is that bit so important to you?

It's not really that important but it does offer simple reasoning as to why people are arguing for something that's literally on the silver platter and dined on without full knowledge of the ingredients.

 

[DPTT]

I've never denied it.
How can I offer a world reality without knowing it?
How can you unless you adhere to the stories told and the model offered to fit that story?

Let's not hold our breath, eh?
We'd be best off going sailing over a level and not trying to sail over a curve.

You are always on the curve you just don’t want to admit it

 

[Pink Panther]

How can I do that if I'm a stupid idiot and imbecile?
Come on man, shape up.

Like I said, good luck.

Out of interest, to prove a globe - what amount of curvature should we expect to find in a bucket or a bath?

That's how stupid your answer was.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

So now you say you have no idea of distances, so how do you know how to put places on the map you produced.

How do you think I did it?

Did you just randomly pick them?

Of course.

You say people have no clue but these roads were built and are driven and therefore measured, the same as planes fly between places and ships.

The roads are fine.
The rest is open to question with many landmass destinations.

This is where you confirmed.
You originally said you had got mixed up with another country

Yes, it's likely all mixed up to all hell.
But then again so is the globe so it's no surprise, surely.

 

[Hend79]

You're badly struggling. The weird thing is all your stuff is on a plate and you're struggling to offer anything because you know it will be picked apart.

Yet more deflection. Proof of a dome light show please.

 

[The Snockerty Friddle]

It is when the stuff being put forward is illogical but believed.

But it's not illogical, it just doesn't suit you.

Obviously, those who believe are certainly not going to accept their story is picked apart.

Would explain why you still claim to believe your made up nonsense.

If people can believe water curves around a big globe then I doubt anything would change their mindset, to be fair.

Get a ball and wet it.
If you had any grasp of scale you'd appreciate that although most water pours off thanks to gravity, the amount remaining is more than enough to account for all the oceans at that scale.

Oh yeah, you’re anti gravity aren't you.... never mind.

It's not really that important

For something unimportant it's come up in your posts more frequently than water level! It must mean something to you.

but it does offer simple reasoning as to why people are arguing for something that's literally on the silver platter and dined on without full knowledge of the ingredients.

It offers nothing more than the opportunity for you to dismiss anything that doesn't fit your non-globe narrative.That’s all its about.

 

[SYB_DC]

Let's hope you're not the prosecution because you are relying on lots of circumstantial evidence.

The best part of this deflection is that it's not a deflection at all. Many - indeed most - prosecutions rely on a lot of circumstantial evidence.

 

[legend7]

How do you think I did it?

Of course.

The roads are fine.
The rest is open to question with many landmass destinations.

Yes, it's likely all mixed up to all hell.
But then again so is the globe so it's no surprise, surely.

Wow.
So you drew a map to scale to represent your disc world but have no idea of distances so you randomly placed cities.
When I asked about distances from south america to australia and mentioned a clock face ages ago, you corrected the 2 positions from my assumption at 12 and 6 to something like 12 and 8, why do that if you have no idea where they are anyway?

 

[DaveH]

To be fair a better argument would be for you to say you've mapped your globe and know everything to be correct.
By doing that you absolutely shut me up.
Is this the case?

Actually, this stuff makes me stronger and much more resilient.

A map isn't simple. It's only simple to you because you think you live on a globe and the map has been provided for you.


That depends on the map and what is actually being verified.
What exactly have you verified about the map of what you're told is your world?

We can't send anything into the space we're told about because it does not exist. But there's nothing wrong with you or others believing it to be true.

You can certainly believe it if you want to. I simply do not.

But your maps are all 2d, sold as a globe.

Of course, it would require tweaking.
The so-called southern hemisphere needs restructuring entirely due to Earth not being a spinning globe, so the landmass has to be altered and unskewed to actually fit reality.
The problem is in doing it. Why? Because it has to be put back into the initial state it was before it was altered into a globe.

I can't offer any map from my own self. I can only offer potentials of maps I think better portrays a potential against one that portrays nonsense, which is the global one.

Have you seen one?

Not at all. I asked a question about who took a picture of what they believe is a gaseous planet. Nothing more than that.
I offered reasons why I don't think there are planets and reasons why gaseous planets are nonsensical. That's basically it.

What reply were you expecting?

I don't demand anything. You offer it or you don't.

This map carry-on will go nowhere just like the global one goes nowhere.

I rest my case.

Not at all. I said the so-called southern hemisphere.

Lots of arguments are taken from all kinds of videos and the internet. Do you think I think you're arguing from a library book?

Except pretty much everything you just said is wrong.

For a start, no I am not a cartographer and I have not mapped the globe. Don't be silly. You can't expect everyone to do that. The questions are, and the same as anything put forward is do we believe it and can we verify at least bits of it? By traveling the world and making astronomical observations I have a lot of evidence the world is a globe. We have talked about distances, particularly in the southern hemisphere. My travels in the southern hemisphere have left me in no doubt that the reported distances match distances in the northern hemisphere. As described before, if you construct a model based on these well traveled and accepted distances, a globe is the only shape that works.

I can go into great detail and construct such a world from available data if you like, but it is your turn. Put up a working map and then we can see if your fantasy works. We both know it doesn't and remains a fantasy.

 

[The Snockerty Friddle]

I've never denied it.
How can I offer a world reality without knowing it?

You can't. You made yours up.

How can you unless you adhere to the stories told and the model offered to fit that story?

By knowing stuff. By understanding scale. By seeing and evaluating stuff.

Let's not hold our breath, eh?
We'd be best off going sailing over a level and not trying to sail over a curve.

Everyones a liar eh?

 

[DaveH]

Because the globe fits your mindset or have you actually done all the cartography over the entire Earth to know for sure?

Let me go back to simple stuff to know why your globe is not a reality.
Water finding its own level. So simple and so basic and so in everyone's face to never be denied from reality....unless fiction replaces reality and this is why we're arguing and this is why the number of people against me cannot offer any proof for that globe.

So simple.
All the rest of it is just par for the course of arguing.

And that is what it comes back to, your whole water level argument.

I'll ask you again, is putting a spirit level in the bath your only experiment to test this idea that water is always perfectly flat? If not, how have you proven this, what experiment have you done?

 

[legend7]

And that is what it comes back to, your whole water level argument.

I'll ask you again, is putting a spirit level in the bath your only experiment to test this idea that water is always perfectly flat? If not, how have you proven this, what experiment have you done?

I think he may have experimented with a hell of a lot of drugs tbh

 

[Nukehasslefan]

You are always on the curve you just don’t want to admit it

Water absolutely shows us we are not.

Like I said, good luck.

Out of interest, to prove a globe - what amount of curvature should we expect to find in a bucket or a bath?

That's how stupid your answer was.

Don't worry too much about a bucket ort a bath. I mean both will offer you a level but biog lakes, ponds and the actual ocean will offer you a much simpler observation of water finding its level and not running off any convex curvature.

Yet more deflection. Proof of a dome light show please.

And to think you're armed with all this info and can't use it because you can't prove it.

 

[DPTT]

Water absolutely shows us we are not.

No it doesn’t, not with what you propose anyway without anything at all to back up with what you are saying.

Typing the words does not make it true

Show evidence, which you cannot

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Get a ball and wet it.
If you had any grasp of scale you'd appreciate that although most water pours off thanks to gravity, the amount remaining is more than enough to account for all the oceans at that scale.

Pours off thanks to your gravity when it suits and stays on as oceans due to your gravity. Honestly, it is amusing to think the story tellers managed to get us all with this and still have most following something that's totally illogical by the use of magic when it suits.

 

[Hend79]

Water absolutely shows us we are not.

Don't worry too much about a bucket ort a bath. I mean both will offer you a level but biog lakes, ponds and the actual ocean will offer you a much simpler observation of water finding its level and not running off any convex curvature.

And to think you're armed with all this info and can't use it because you can't prove it.

Because it has been proven several times, by people smarter than me on this page and every respected scientist known to humankind. Just because you arent intelligent enough to understand it doesnt make it wrong. Oh and im still waiting for evidence of the dome light show.

Pours off thanks to your gravity when it suits and stays on as oceans due to your gravity. Honestly, it is amusing to think the story tellers managed to get us all with this and still have most following something that's totally illogical by the use of magic when it suits.

Yet again, you dont understand scale.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Wow.
So you drew a map to scale to represent your disc world but have no idea of distances so you randomly placed cities.

Not at all. I don't represent any disc world.

When I asked about distances from south america to australia and mentioned a clock face ages ago, you corrected the 2 positions from my assumption at 12 and 6 to something like 12 and 8, why do that if you have no idea where they are anyway?

Actually, I said 11 to 7, I think.
Why did I do that?
To try alterations to the landmass to see a better fit against what's on offer for a globe.
Do I know them to be true or accurate? Of course not and so do you.
But you also do not know if your globe is accurate because you have no clue if you are honest.

 

[Pink Panther]

Don't worry too much about a bucket ort a bath. I mean both will offer you a level but biog lakes, ponds and the actual ocean will offer you a much simpler observation of water finding its level and not running off any convex curvature.

Bucket and bath were your suggestions (and basin).
Whilst not answering my question you have provided examples that do show curvature. This was tested on Netflix's Flat Earth documentary and proved the curve.