Put a flat earthier into space

[payne]

Exactly how?

The string is just a measured bit of string of a set length, the cities are a known distance apart as measured on the globe, change that to a flat map projection and the distance has to be the same. Even your curved stick is still the same stick when straightened out.

He thinks the stick will be longer when laid out flat!

 

[legend7]

You really do. It's mirrored in such a way that reflections from the projector are stunningly perfect and somehow never distort no matter the distance from the projector, angle of the dome at that point, or whether or not a bit has just fallen off in a random direction to create the illusion of shooting stars, while also somehow preventing any reflection occurring of the land and sea below it. Oh, and the bits falling off that give the illusion of shooting stars have no reflection either. MAGIC.

He still hasn't explained how I've seen 2 shooting stars from the same spot on the same night go in completely different directions, they don't go straight down because they are swept along in the vortex but how 2 different directions?

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Exactly how?

The string is just a measured bit of string of a set length, the cities are a known distance apart as measured on the globe, change that to a flat map projection and the distance has to be the same. Even your curved stick is still the same stick when straightened out.

If from the level ground you walk up and over a hill with your string to level ground again then hand me that same string to walk a level ground from start to end of your hill walk, do you seriously think the string will be the same distance with no excess left?

 

[payne]

You're not getting it are you, are you a moron?
Forget about a globe, OK, forget it.
A plane flies from Newcastle to London or someone drives that journey, the plane or car will register x miles, the same vehicle does the same to Portugal (which I've drove) nobody alters the mileometers on planes or cars depending on where they are going or in which hemisphere, keep extending that further, quantas may fly between 2 destinations in the southern hemisphere, they may go from southern to northern using the same plane, they don't alter the plane and the way they measure the miles, we know how far places are actually apart on our world no matter what shape, you say its flat so nothing to take into account or asjust in your world.
So why are the distances actually travelled and measured incorrect to you?
Or as I say do you have an alternative flat earth list of miles between cities? You must have surely if you know how to map it, pop them up?

all countries are at 90 degrees on his pizza surface

 

[fyl2u]

You really do. It's mirrored in such a way that reflections from the projector are stunningly perfect and somehow never distort no matter the distance from the projector, angle of the dome at that point, or whether or not a bit has just fallen off in a random direction to create the illusion of shooting stars, while also somehow preventing any reflection occurring of the land and sea below it. Oh, and the bits falling off that give the illusion of shooting stars have no reflection either. MAGIC.

Which of those things are inaccurate descriptions of your domeworld?

 

[payne]

If from the level ground you walk up and over a hill with your string to level ground again then hand me that same string to walk a level ground from start to end of your hill walk, do you seriously think the string will be the same distance with no excess left?

hahah. he doesn't understand

Which of those things are inaccurate descriptions of your domeworld?

it's exactly what he has offered, and he doesn't understand his own musings

 

[The Snockerty Friddle]

If from the level ground you walk up and over a hill with your string to level ground again then hand me that same string to walk a level ground from start to end of your hill walk, do you seriously think the string will be the same distance with no excess left?

We're not talking about going up and down hills, we're talking about the distance between points, or cities. Those are the same whatever hills or valleys you put between them.

 

[Pink Panther]

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Don't be distracted from this masterpiece.
The shortest route from South Africa to Japan or Australia is via Europe and the North Pole.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

You're not getting it are you, are you a moron?

I thought this was well-established a long time ago.

Forget about a globe, OK, forget it.

I can't forget it, it's what you're arguing for no matter how much you try to throw it aside.

A plane flies from Newcastle to London or someone drives that journey, the plane or car will register x miles, the same vehicle does the same to Portugal (which I've drove) nobody alters the mileometers on planes or cars depending on where they are going or in which hemisphere, keep extending that further, quantas may fly between 2 destinations in the southern hemisphere, they may go from southern to northern using the same plane, they don't alter the plane and the way they measure the miles, we know how far places are actually apart on our world no matter what shape, you say its flat so nothing to take into account or asjust in your world.

It's not about plane miles it's about direction. And the main issue is the so-called southern hemisphere which becomes extremely odd for many reasons in terms of plane travel and its sparsity of it.
It makes no real sense because it's a big old con.
So basically it's like this.
It's all about what flights actually go to what places and what routes are really taken to get there.

So why are the distances actually travelled and measured incorrect to you?

The curvature.
Yes yes, I know you say "forget about a globe". You know it's not the case and you know it's what you're arguing for so there's no way out of that.

Or as I say do you have an alternative flat earth list of miles between cities? You must have surely if you know how to map it, pop them up?

I do but not a chance am I popping anything like that up. I'll keep that one to myself. And I know, I know, I don't have one and I'm lying and I'm a moron, and...well you get it.

He thinks the stick will be longer when laid out flat!

It would be.

We're not talking about going up and down hills, we're talking about the distance between points, or cities. Those are the same whatever hills or valleys you put between them.

But we are talking about going up and down hills, which is exactly what your global travel is all about.

 

[fyl2u]

I thought this was well-established a long time ago.

I can't forget it, it's what you're arguing for no matter how much you try to throw it aside.


It's not about plane miles it's about direction. And the main issue is the so-called southern hemisphere which becomes extremely odd for many reasons in terms of plane travel and its sparsity of it.
It makes no real sense because it's a big old con.
So basically it's like this.
It's all about what flights actually go to what places and what routes are really taken to get there.

The curvature.
Yes yes, I know you say "forget about a globe". You know it's not the case and you know it's what you're arguing for so there's no way out of that.

I do but not a chance am I popping anything like that up. I'll keep that one to myself. And I know, I know, I don't have one and I'm lying and I'm a moron, and...well you get it.

It would be.

But we are talking about going up and down hills, which is exactly what your global travel is all about.

Self-tucked and denying it with bare-faced lies. Nobody is fooled. Except you.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Self-tucked and denying it with bare-faced lies. Nobody is fooled. Except you.

We're all fooled in life, it's just a case of who believes what stories.

 

[legend7]

I thought this was well-established a long time ago.

I can't forget it, it's what you're arguing for no matter how much you try to throw it aside.


It's not about plane miles it's about direction. And the main issue is the so-called southern hemisphere which becomes extremely odd for many reasons in terms of plane travel and its sparsity of it.
It makes no real sense because it's a big old con.
So basically it's like this.
It's all about what flights actually go to what places and what routes are really taken to get there.

The curvature.
Yes yes, I know you say "forget about a globe". You know it's not the case and you know it's what you're arguing for so there's no way out of that.

I do but not a chance am I popping anything like that up. I'll keep that one to myself. And I know, I know, I don't have one and I'm lying and I'm a moron, and...well you get it.

It would be.

But we are talking about going up and down hills, which is exactly what your global travel is all about.

You said there is no f*cking curvature so why take any into account!

 

[Nukehasslefan]

You said there is no f*cking curvature so why take any into account!

Get back to me when you alter your language.

 

[The Snockerty Friddle]

It would be.

It would not. The distance between the ends of the stick would be greater, the stick would still be the same stick.

But we are talking about going up and down hills, which is exactly what your global travel is all about.

No, only you in the mistaken belief that it's somehow relevant.
The whole point is that if you took for example a 2D clock face, 12, 3, 6 and 9 would all be the same distance apart. Now mark the centre and turn that 2D clock face into a 3D ball and the centre is suddenly also the same distance from those numbers.
It doesn't matter if there are hills in the way either.
You cannot accurately show that on a 2D map, because it's 3D.
You cant accurately show the correct distances between all cities on a 2D map, because it's a globe.

 

[legend7]

Get back to me when you alter your language.

You're going on like an idiot though, there is no curvature but your distances don't work because of curvature wtf.
So when we drove to Lisbon and it said 1600 miles on the car we didn't really do 1600 miles?

 

[Nukehasslefan]

It would not. The distance between the ends of the stick would be greater, the stick would still be the same stick.

Not the same distance when leveled.

No, only you in the mistaken belief that it's somehow relevant.

It is massively relevant.

The whole point is that if you took for example a 2D clock face, 12, 3, 6 and 9 would all be the same distance apart. Now mark the centre and turn that 2D clock face into a 3D ball and the centre is suddenly also the same distance from those numbers.
It doesn't matter if there are hills in the way either.

It matters massively. Your distances are based on curvature.

 

[legend7]

It matters massively. Your distances are based on curvature.

They're not they are based on vehicles travelling the routes and measuring the actual distances

 

[The Snockerty Friddle]

Not the same distance when leveled.

It is massively relevant.

It matters massively. Your distances are based on curvature.

No, the dstances are based solely on point to point distance, together they PROVE curvature.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

You're going on like an idiot though,

Then don't partake but if you feel you must then there's no need to use foul language. It doesn't make your point stronger, it weakens your argument.

there is no curvature but your distances don't work because of curvature wtf.

Let's make this simple.
Are those distances on your globe distances set out with curvature taken into account, in your mind?
Is so then exploain.
If not then explain.

So when we drove to Lisbon and it said 1600 miles on the car we didn't really do 1600 miles?

Of course, we have and that's why I accepted distances.
But what you're failing to get from my side is, it's not over a curve.
There's a bigger picture here than just arguing correct distances and it6 comes down to the direction of travel and what we are told and sold.

 

[legend7]

Let's make this simple.
Are those distances on your globe distances set out with curvature taken into account, in your mind?
Is so then exploain.
If not then explain.

Of course, we have and that's why I accepted distances.
But what you're failing to get from my side is, it's not over a curve.
There's a bigger picture here than just arguing correct distances and it6 comes down to the direction of travel and what we are told and sold.

They are known distances because they have been measured by travelling between numerous points on the planet.
So when the car said 1600 miles to Lisbon we had indeed done 1600 miles yeah?