Put a flat earthier into space

[The Snockerty Friddle]

This is where their dogma of 'from authority' really takes off.

Sick of hearing about 'appeal to authority' now, if only we could hear the old 'unhindered' stories again

 

[payne]

Sick of hearing about 'appeal to authority' now, if only we could hear the old 'unhindered' stories again

It's a mental way to view the world. It's proper Nazi burn the books style logic.

 

[The Snockerty Friddle]

It's a mental way to view the world. It's proper Nazi burn the books style logic.

I did see that Dubay character described as a Hitler loving nazi in his reviews yesterday.. Half a dozen books and/or films about flat Earth and one about Hitler being a nice chap who only wanted peace.

 

[Pancho]

Wrong. And there's even a video clip from the flat earth movie where some of the world's most prominent flat-earthers set out to show what you are trying to suggest using torches through holes to replicate the effect of a scope with a crosshair, but then at the end there's a moment where they're all going "Oh fuck, it only works if I lift it up, which means the earth does have a curve. Shit."

So your own flat earth community have already fucked up your argument for this one.



Yes, which is exactly what happens. That's why the flat earthers had to lift up the torch to make their experiment work - something they wouldn't have to do if the earth wasn't curved.



Unfortunately your opinion is based on flawed logic.

Correct.

It was the Beyond the Curve documentary.

Two of the main 'brains' behind the Globebusters flat earth website from where the likes of Nukey get their info, set out to prove that the earth was not a spinning globe.

Bob Knodel acquired a $20k laser gyroscope and msnaged to prove that the earth does indeed display a 15 degree per hour drift. "Thanks Bob".

His equally slack jawed marra, Jeran decided to replicate the Bedford Levels experiment by using lasers to prove that the earth was flat. In fairness their scientific method was pretty sound.

Their main problem was that their experiment actually proved that there is a curve. "Interesting".

Bob and Jeran are two of the leading lights of the flat earth movement and are both are proven liars.

Our very own Nukey is somewhat further down the same food chain.

Just let that sink in for a second.

 

[payne]

Correct.

It was the Beyond the Curve documentary.

Two of the main 'brains' behind the Globebusters flat earth website from where the likes of Nukey get there info, set out to prove that the earth was not a spinning globe.

Bob Knodel acquired a $20k laser gyroscope and msnaged to prove that the earth does indeed display a 15 degree per hour drift. "Thanks Bob".

His equally slack jawed marra, Jeran decided to replicate the Bedford Levels experiment by using lasers to prove that the earth was flat. In fairness their scientific method was pretty sound.

Their main problem was that their experiment actually proved that there is a curve. "Interesting".

Bob and Jeran are two of the leading lights of the flat earth movement and are both are proven liars.

Our very own Nukey is somewhat further down the same food chain.

Just let that sink in for a second.

What do they say at the end. I mean do they deny the results?

 

[nahwee]

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And yet it cannot be prove

Which other country would lie on the line between the centre of the circle and 3 o’clock?

 

[The Snockerty Friddle]

What do they say at the end. I mean do they deny the results?

"What we found is, when we turned on that gyroscope, we found that we were picking up a drift," Knodel explains. "A 15-degree per hour drift.

"Now, obviously we were taken aback by that - 'Wow, that's kind of a problem.'

"We obviously were not willing to accept that, and so we started looking for easy to disprove it was actually registering the motion of the Earth."

You know what they say: If your experiment proves you wrong, just disregard the results!

"We don't want to blow this, you know?" Knodel then says to another Flat Earther. "When you've got $20,000 in this freaking gyro.

"If we dumped what we found right now, it would be bad? It would be bad.

"What I just told you was confidential.

Confidential but picked up on camera.

 

[payne]

"What we found is, when we turned on that gyroscope, we found that we were picking up a drift," Knodel explains. "A 15-degree per hour drift.

"Now, obviously we were taken aback by that - 'Wow, that's kind of a problem.'

"We obviously were not willing to accept that, and so we started looking for easy to disprove it was actually registering the motion of the Earth."

You know what they say: If your experiment proves you wrong, just disregard the results!

"We don't want to blow this, you know?" Knodel then says to another Flat Earther. "When you've got $20,000 in this freaking gyro.

"If we dumped what we found right now, it would be bad? It would be bad.

"What I just told you was confidential.

Confidential but picked up on camera.

It sounds like they believe the result but want to still reap the monetary rewards of the flat earth game.

Did they not produce the documentary themselves? Could have just not included the results.

 

[Pancho]

It's a mental way to view the world. It's proper Nazi burn the books style logic.

Another one of the leading proponents of flat earth, Nathan Thompson actually filmed himself in Target buying a kiddies book on astronomy. He proceeded to tear up said book, put the remains in his basket and paid for it at the check out. He proudly filmed the lot for his youtube channel.

The same bloke was arrested by police in America after he entered a school playground to try to force his bat shit mental flat earth pamphlets onto some poor unsuspecting school children.

Please bear in mind that this character is one of the leading lights of the flat earth movement and a hero to the likes of our own Nukey.

What do they say at the end. I mean do they deny the results?

You need to see it to believe it.

I'll try to find SciManDan's video of the incident.

Tbc.

 

[payne]

Another one of the leading proponents of flat earth, Nathan Thompson actually filmed himself in Target buying a kiddies book on astronomy. He proceeded to tear up said book, put the remains in his basket and paid for it at the check out. He proudly filmed the lot for his youtube channel.

The same bloke was arrested by police in America after he entered a school playground to try to force his bat shit mental flat earth pamphlets onto some poor unsuspecting school children.

Please bear in mind that this character is one of the leading lights of the flat earth movement and a hero to the likes of our own Nukey.

I wonder if the priests of the religion actually believe or are proper pyramid scheme artists.

 

[Pancho]

"What we found is, when we turned on that gyroscope, we found that we were picking up a drift," Knodel explains. "A 15-degree per hour drift.

"Now, obviously we were taken aback by that - 'Wow, that's kind of a problem.'

"We obviously were not willing to accept that, and so we started looking for easy to disprove it was actually registering the motion of the Earth."

You know what they say: If your experiment proves you wrong, just disregard the results!

"We don't want to blow this, you know?" Knodel then says to another Flat Earther. "When you've got $20,000 in this freaking gyro.

"If we dumped what we found right now, it would be bad? It would be bad.

"What I just told you was confidential.

Confidential but picked up on camera.

Cheers marra, saved me a job.

I wonder if the priests of the religion actually believe or are proper pyramid scheme artists.

I think many of them are simple grifters in it for the cash but there are undoubtedly a few completely unhinged types.

Nathan Thompson is the sort you wouldn't be at all surprised to read about sometime in the future having been involved a shoot out with police.

 

[payne]

Cheers marra, saved me a job.

I think many of them are simple grifters in it for the cash but there are undoubtedly a few completely unhinged types.

Nathan Thompson is the sort you wouldn't be at all surprised to read about sometime in the future having been involved a shoot out with police.

What do you think of the followers, i.e. Newcastle Lad. Do you think it's just a case of not having a rational and logical mind and therefore critical thinking isn't really possible? Or maybe eve not being able to understand things isn't nice so developing a god complex where you know everything is a way to make yourself feel good?

 

[Pancho]

What do you think of the followers, i.e. Newcastle Lad. Do you think it's just a case of not having a rational and logical mind and therefore critical thinking isn't really possible? Or maybe eve not being able to understand things isn't nice so developing a god complex where you know everything is a way to make yourself feel good?

I've really no idea.

Part of me hopes that he is just a very dedicated troll pulling our collective plonkers, because some of the alternatives are far more disconcerting.

I think Professor Dave's John Connor analogy is probably quite apposite.

 

[payne]

I've really no idea.

Part of me hopes that he is just a very dedicated troll pulling our collective plonkers, because some of the alternatives are far more disconcerting.

I think Professor Dave's John Connor analogy is probably quite apposite.

If it is a troll, it's a weird angle trying to make yourself look thick

 

[Pancho]

If it is a troll, it's a weird angle trying to make yourself look thick

Perhaps that the genius of it all.

 

[payne]

Perhaps that the genius of it all.

Yeah, I suppose for the rest of us it's intriguing that a person like this could exist.

 

[peachy]

If we didn't argue with flat earthers (earthiers even ) surely their "beliefs" would not be read [to the same extent].
We gave Nuke an awful lot of time didn't we?

Perhaps that the genius of it all.

Ha.




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One of the best threads ever for many reasons.

 

[Pancho]

It sounds like they believe the result but want to still reap the monetary rewards of the flat earth game.

Did they not produce the documentary themselves? Could have just not included the results.

It was an independent documentary.

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[DaveH]

You mention it often enough.


I've never once offered that so who are you actually referring to?


This is another that's going nowhere and is a teet for tat.
You need to prove what you're saying. I've already told you I can't map the Earth on my own, so what do I rely on?

What does a globe offer you?
Use any globe and tell me how you work out distances on it.
You can fly or drive or sail.


Forget about my alternate Earth. I can't physically map it and you know it, even if it was cloer to reality than the globe you go with.
You are in thes ame boat. You cannot map your globe you believe exists.

I don;t expect you to do anything.

Accepting reality is simple. I accept I'm here and I accept I walk about, sail and fly on and over Earth.
The reality from that point does not exist and becomes acceptance of being told what it is we walk upon, sail upon and fly over.
You choose the global spin story with all the trimmings.
I choose an alternative.

Just flatten the globe back to the original set up before it was turned into a globe. You just need to upturn the dges and leave a mound towards the middle. Place a dome over that and there you go.

Nobody's arguing about things being in the sky. I've said it time and time again.
But they're not in space. That's the issue.

Your globe cannot offer you any horizon.
The diagram, regardless of it not being to any scale of what you believe of a globe is to show you that standing level as you believe against a level standing opposite would offer angled view towards each other over even a short distance which rises over a longer distance.

Why?
Simple. Each person would be tilted away from the other no matter where you were on your globe.
Obviously, we never see this for a very good reason. It's because Earth is not a globe we live upon.

So in summary, we agree on distances between landmasses and cities but can’t point to an instance where they don’t work on a scaled globe. You admit it is impossible to put this distances on a flat earth and make it work.

Finally, that is what I was getting at 5 days ago whenI said the evidence is all around. Globe works, flat doesn’t.

It sounds like they believe the result but want to still reap the monetary rewards of the flat earth game.

Did they not produce the documentary themselves? Could have just not included the results.

I think that is the key to a lot of the “leaders” in the community. The documentary mostly followed one bloke, Bob Sergent I think his name was. Unless they never mentioned his day job, he seemed to have quite a cushy lifestyle on the back of it. Videos, ad revenues, speaking at various places etc.

As with any YouTube, there is money to be made. Who would have thought 15 years ago that a YouTube influencer could be quite a lucrative career?

Lets look at an old classic of a flat earther. Get a model plane and hold it above a globe in the northern hemisphere and ‘fly’ it around the globe. Once it gets to Australia it is upside down. Woah, how is that possible? I can see why it confuses the hell out of low educated people. Due to the scale of the earth, we can only see a few miles, so everything in sight has pretty much the same ’up’ as us. Some can’t get their head around that up is away from the centre of the earth, down is towards.

Almost without exception, most conspiracy theorists are low educated people in mundane jobs. Take that, offer them a way of feeling special and the clicks come in, which does translate directly to cash. Make an enemy to believe in, THEM, hiding the truth and it becomes powerful. It is tried and tested through history. More recently Brexit was the same. The EU and immigrants were the enemy, we could blame them for failings in our country. It is no coincidence that studies have shown there were more low educated people in the votes for than against.

Get people into a froth about something, offer them something to make them feel like they are in control and you have your audience. Once you have that, you can make money. Many cult leaders have been the same. Most don’t actually believe or follow what they preach, just enjoy the power and rewards.

 

[Pancho]

So in summary, we agree on distances between landmasses and cities but can’t point to an instance where they don’t work on a scaled globe. You admit it is impossible to put this distances on a flat earth and make it work.

Finally, that is what I was getting at 5 days ago whenI said the evidence is all around. Globe works, flat doesn’t.

I think that is the key to a lot of the “leaders” in the community. The documentary mostly followed one bloke, Bob Sergent I think his name was. Unless they never mentioned his day job, he seemed to have quite a cushy lifestyle on the back of it. Videos, ad revenues, speaking at various places etc.

As with any YouTube, there is money to be made. Who would have thought 15 years ago that a YouTube influencer could be quite a lucrative career?

Lets look at an old classic of a flat earther. Get a model plane and hold it above a globe in the northern hemisphere and ‘fly’ it around the globe. Once it gets to Australia it is upside down. Woah, how is that possible? I can see why it confuses the hell out of low educated people. Due to the scale of the earth, we can only see a few miles, so everything in sight has pretty much the same ’up’ as us. Some can’t get their head around that up is away from the centre of the earth, down is towards.

Almost without exception, most conspiracy theorists are low educated people in mundane jobs. Take that, offer them a way of feeling special and the clicks come in, which does translate directly to cash. Make an enemy to believe in, THEM, hiding the truth and it becomes powerful. It is tried and tested through history. More recently Brexit was the same. The EU and immigrants were the enemy, we could blame them for failings in our country. It is no coincidence that studies have shown there were more low educated people in the votes for than against.

Get people into a froth about something, offer them something to make them feel like they are in control and you have your audience. Once you have that, you can make money. Many cult leaders have been the same. Most don’t actually believe or follow what they preach, just enjoy the power and rewards.

That's a pretty decent summary.