UFO's



This is a good video that covers some "unexplained" sightings by US fighter pilots, backed up by radar and gun camera footage. The footage shows UAPS maneuvering in ways that are impossible with the tech we're aware of, including travelling at speeds of 60 miles per second (the fastest jet aircraft we know of can do around 0.5 miles per second in comparison). One of the pilots describes that when he started descending to get a closer look at the object, the object started mirroring his actions until it was right in front of him and then disappeared, which suggest some form of intelligence behind these things.

 
MunkyHeed said:
@tunstall birdman has seen weird lights... he may be in a better position to comment, but I bet most ppl who see something actually say 'I DONT know what I saw', leading to the belief that is wasn't natural or man-made. You can see why the logical conclusion (rightly or wrongly) could then lead to 'aliens'?
For this topic, you have to keep an open mind for it to be healthy and reasoned if you're only going on other people's evidence. Once you try pushing your beliefs onto others, just because that's your opinion, it gets messy. No better than religious street-preachers or fanatical zealots.
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The car size orbs I saw in 1997, flew about the sky in deliberate synchronised movements at times and performed manoeuvres that far exceeded any technological advances of any helicopter, plane and even drones of today. I have no idea if they were 'above' top secret military craft or something else? All I know it that they were incredible to witness and far superior to any 'known' craft that flies in our skies.
And unless there is a way to cancel out inertia and G-Force, no human could withstand the G-Force if they were in the objects that I saw.
 
Chalks said:
People believe in god with zero proof or scientific evidence but they then say nah no chance of aliens etc.
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They also find the belief in any other gods ludicrous, but it's entirely sensible to believe in theirs, which I have always found amusing.
Grimes said:
Funny as owt how touchy the non believers are. Aliens are real and are here, deal with it. :cool:
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Say hi to Santa from me....
tunstall birdman said:
The car size orbs I saw in 1997, flew about the sky in deliberate synchronised movements at times and performed manoeuvres that far exceeded any technological advances of any helicopter, plane and even drones of today. I have no idea if they were 'above' top secret military craft or something else? All I know it that they were incredible to witness and far superior to any 'known' craft that flies in our skies.
And unless there is a way to cancel out inertia and G-Force, no human could withstand the G-Force if they were in the objects that I saw.
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Perhaps they were cars.
 
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Ilios said:
Yeah, but I don't care about anecdotes. 'It's true because person X said so', is a fallacy. Anecdotes are insufficient as evidence. It's also ridiculous on its face, given where we are in travel time from anywhere that could plausibly produce the technology and life span to reach us.
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I guess you didn’t read up on what the above actually said, why their positions makes them so sure & what they (we) stand to lose if they’re wrong.

Out of interest, do you believe the moon landings were real, or that Bin Laden was responsible for 9/11, or that 52% of the UK voted to leave the EU? They're only true because person X said so.
Completely disagree that anecdotes are insufficient as evidence too - Courts of Law all over the world rely on Witness testimonies, character statements and so on and have been used in evidence to help convict/acquit ppl for centuries.

Listen, I’m not here to convince you one way or another. You’ve made your own mind up & have your own criteria as to what to accept as bullshit, interesting, convincing.. whatever. Totally your prerogative, and an essential stance that's needed to ensure a balanced analysis of the topic.

To your last point regarding how anything could reach us... I totally agree. Our current understanding of physics & materials just don't allow for this to happen. However, physicist Lord Kelvin stated that heavier-than-air flight was impossible too... less than a decade before the Wright brothers flew.
 
MunkyHeed said:
I guess you didn’t read up on what the above actually said, why their positions makes them so sure & what they (we) stand to lose if they’re wrong.

Out of interest, do you believe the moon landings were real, or that Bin Laden was responsible for 9/11, or that 52% of the UK voted to leave the EU? They're only true because person X said so.
Completely disagree that anecdotes are insufficient as evidence too - Courts of Law all over the world rely on Witness testimonies, character statements and so on and have been used in evidence to help convict/acquit ppl for centuries.

Listen, I’m not here to convince you one way or another. You’ve made your own mind up & have your own criteria as to what to accept as bullshit, interesting, convincing.. whatever. Totally your prerogative, and an essential stance that's needed to ensure a balanced analysis of the topic.

To your last point regarding how anything could reach us... I totally agree. Our current understanding of physics & materials just don't allow for this to happen. However, physicist Lord Kelvin stated that heavier-than-air flight was impossible too... less than a decade before the Wright brothers flew.
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All that would be required is energy.

You could have one organism enclosed within another organism, that just so happens to naturally be able to travel across the cosmos.
 
Lefty Frizzell said:
All that would be required is energy.

You could have one organism enclosed within another organism, that just so happens to naturally be able to travel across the cosmos.
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Aside from the second organism instead of a rock and associated atmosphere, you have just described humans. The fundamental problem for humans contemplating problems like this is scale - the mass, energy, and likely timescales for anything along these lines is beyond human comprehension (except for possibly the most adept abstract mathematicians) - but we have no conceptual way of knowing if there is actually an obvious answer out there that just can't be perceived by humans.
 
MunkyHeed said:
Courts of Law all over the world rely on Witness testimonies, character statements and so on and have been used in evidence to help convict/acquit ppl for centuries.
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Witness testimony is notoriously shite, and is insufficient to establish guilt on its own.

Eyewitness misidentification is also by far and away, the leading factor in wrongful conviction - being a major contributing factor in 70% of overturned convictions in the USA.

There was a study carried out over a period of time (there have actually been many studies on the unreliability of eyewitness testimony) interviewing people about where they were and what they were doing when 'major event x' happened - JFK death, Twin Towers etc. They were asked these same questions 5 years after, 10 years, 15 years later etc. What they found was the individuals answer changed over time - they gave different responses to the same questions they asked a few years earlier.

The National Academy of Sciences noted in 2014 in a comprehensive report on eyewitness testimony, memories may become distorted or degraded when they are initially made or when they are later recalled. Memories may also evolve to accommodate new information and environmental pressures.
And thus is about mundane things, nevermind highly ridiculous ones. Nobody in a court of law would ever convict somebody of murdering a time-travelling unicorn, on the say so of a f***ing eyewitness.
MunkyHeed said:
Out of interest, do you believe the moon landings were real, or that Bin Laden was responsible for 9/11, or that 52% of the UK voted to leave the EU? They're only true because person X said so.
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No, they are absolutely not. They're most likely true, because they have empirical evidence for them, and are the best explanation of the events that occured. Nothing is true 'because someone said so', that's ridiculous.
 
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MunkyHeed said:
I guess you didn’t read up on what the above actually said, why their positions makes them so sure & what they (we) stand to lose if they’re wrong.

Out of interest, do you believe the moon landings were real, or that Bin Laden was responsible for 9/11, or that 52% of the UK voted to leave the EU? They're only true because person X said so.
Completely disagree that anecdotes are insufficient as evidence too - Courts of Law all over the world rely on Witness testimonies, character statements and so on and have been used in evidence to help convict/acquit ppl for centuries.

Listen, I’m not here to convince you one way or another. You’ve made your own mind up & have your own criteria as to what to accept as bullshit, interesting, convincing.. whatever. Totally your prerogative, and an essential stance that's needed to ensure a balanced analysis of the topic.

To your last point regarding how anything could reach us... I totally agree. Our current understanding of physics & materials just don't allow for this to happen. However, physicist Lord Kelvin stated that heavier-than-air flight was impossible too... less than a decade before the Wright brothers flew.
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This.
Look how far technology has advanced in 100 years and think what might possible with another 1000 years of advancement if we haven't wiped ourselves out that is. Who knows there might be quicker ways of travelling through space than pointing a spacecraft at something and firing it in that direction.

For the here and now i'm hoping that the James Webb telescope will detect signs of life on an exoplanet and then we are into a new era.
 
Ilios said:
No, they are absolutely not. They're most likely true, because they have empirical evidence for them, and are the best explanation of the events that occured. Nothing is true 'because someone said so', that's ridiculous.
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You’re choosing to ignore the fact that the ppl above that ‘said so’ quite obviously have data and evidence to back up their statements. The same data that has been presented to Congress and deemed empirical enough to convince both Democrats AND Republicans to push through legislation to study UAP in detail and force the Pentagon, Navy, Air Force and other govt agencies to hand over everything they know on the subject back to 1947.
Going round in circles in this conversation now. I’m done. Cheers.
 
Nobody is disputing that UAP exist.

It's pretty straightforward thinking that unexplained phenomenon might be of interest to the government if those phenomenon are not caused by equipment belonging to that government's military.

It's also likely that if the US military did have secret classified projects that were being categorised as UAP by members of the public or by other uninformed members of the military, that they would want another department that could deal with these sightings and dismiss them without disclosing the classified information.

So far though, there is absolutely zero evidence that any UAP in history has ever been an alien spaceship.
 
fyl2u said:
Nobody is disputing that UAP exist.

It's pretty straightforward thinking that unexplained phenomenon might be of interest to the government if those phenomenon are not caused by equipment belonging to that government's military.

It's also likely that if the US military did have secret classified projects that were being categorised as UAP by members of the public or by other uninformed members of the military, that they would want another department that could deal with these sightings and dismiss them without disclosing the classified information.

So far though, there is absolutely zero evidence that any UAP in history has ever been an alien spaceship.
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They main here is the acceptance that hey exist. They've been seen by expert witnesses, they've been videoed, they've been tracked by radar and the US govt confirms there is no known technology on earth that can replicate what they do and are confident it's no a Russian or Chinese secret weapon.

I suppose its back to the same questions again, what are they and where do they come from.
 

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