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The Safety of Fans in the North Stand

tunstallhill said:
agree, the fans groups need to be pushing this and brining it up all the time (along with the ticket office debacle) but we need to be careful what we wish for. going to the club complaining about something is one thing, but if we go to them with solutions to the problem, it has much more chance of getting listened to.

the club know if they move the away end downstairs they are creating a shitstorm for themselves, and they'll avoid it at all costs. however, they need to be doing something about coventry fans hoying glass bottles down. so ban coventry fans for the next game. release a press statement encouraging them to hand in the culprit. put up better CCTV and employ people to monitor them properly. employ more security guards, not just stewards, to properly search people on the way in. a proper search shouldn't allow a smoke bomb or a glass bottle to be smuggled in. employ more stewards and coppers. theres loads of things that they can do, immediately, to start sorting this out. put a giant net up for one

i don't think they club actually employ people at upper management level who are smart enough to work this out

not really sure what the stewards in the north stand lower have got to do with it? are they expected to catch the bottles or catch them on the volley and return them to the away end?

its the security arrangements in the away end that is the problem


where to in the lower bowl? do you think being in a lower bowl makes a dickhead who will throw a glass bottle into a crowd turn into a dickhead that won't throw a glass bottle into a crowd?
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“creating a shitstorm for themselves”
Why? How?
 

Grumpy Old Man said:
Apparently Coventry were allowed to bring their own stewards.
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Didn't Man United used to do the same when they were located in the Roker End? Surely they'll have been involved in the same safety briefings etc and be held just as liable as those in the lower tiers that we've employed.
 
bat said:
“creating a shitstorm for themselves”
Why? How?
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1.According the the police and ground authorities, there's been a 60% reduction in trouble outside the ground since they were moved, probably because away fans aren't coming out into the main drag of people going to the city centre.

2. Any move will create difficulties with existing supporters; allowing for sterile zones, probably 5,000 existing season card holders will need to be moved.

What's needed is a big fuck-off perspex screen like the one at the Amsterdam Arena (which some fans will remember from when we played there).
 
Hmmmmmm returns said:
Move the away fans back to the lower bowl. It’s quite simple. Will improve safety and the atmosphere.
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It will improve safety but not the atmosphere!The thing that drives the atmosphere is the quality of the play on the pitch and the value of the game ( derby or promotion or relegation decider)..nothing more!Our club are still in cheapskate mode so i guess thats why they have not paid for a net in the north upper...and they only option without spending loads of money is to return the away fans to behind the goal in the south stand and thats been tried and was a failure for the majority of games.
 
I keep on saying put the away fans in a corner, it won't take to much to sort out. Their balls grow when they are up a hight. They become anonymous so acting like dicks throwing things etc have no consequences..
 
HeroHurley said:
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This. It's the upper tiee stewards need to get their fingers out of arses and start doing their job.
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The policy is not to make fans sit in their allocated seats. It’s to hard to manage.
So they sit anywhere, which means all the dickheads can hide with each other without being called out.
The police should be in there making fans sit in their allocated seat and no standing in aisles or throw them out.
£10 an hour stewards stand no chance
Superkenwynejones said:
Just had a reply to the email I sent in hopefully gets addressed like he’s stated…….


Thank you for your e-mail.

Firstly, my sincere apologies for the experience you and your two young children endured yesterday.

We had put in place an enhanced security operation yesterday which clearly was not good enough. I am particularly disappointed at the response of stewards in the north lower stand which was not in accordance with their training and briefings. These are issues which I will be addressing in advance of our next home match.

I will be meeting with both senior management and supporter representatives to review other options available to better protect our supporters.

Once again, my personal apologies to you and your family. I am happy to discuss over the phone if you wish to do so.

Regards
Steve
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He’s throwing the lowest employees in the process under the bus.
Accountability Steve accountability, you have tried to do it on the cheap and it’s blown up in your face. At least have the courage to admit it.
You and your management cannot hide behind blaming other people and not putting enough resources in place .
We are not a group of thicko’s who will accept BS. Many on here have and do hold more senior positions than you in organisations and know how it works.
 
bat said:
“creating a shitstorm for themselves”
Why? How?
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its already been pointed out, that 'incidents' are down 60% since the move. i'd say 80% of home fans don't even come into contact with the away fans now outside the ground. all fans heading towards the town and roker avenue way - the vast majority - have zero interaction other than with the odd couple of away fans walking the same way. certainly nowhere near like the old days behind the south stand, used to be hell on regularly, leeds, liverpool man united etc.. was always a massive police operation.

so, a couple of games in after the away fans have been moved to the east stand, and all these familie with kids etc.. and old people who have never had any doings with the away fans, suddenly are faced with 1000, 2000, 3000 away fans in a massive group right outside the east stand, every single game... then one or two little flashpoints inevitably occur, and within a couple of months theres complaints flying into the club about the trouble outside the ground, where there hasn't been any for past 10 years.

also, its almost as easy to throw a bottle or a flair sideways as it is to throw it forwards, depends where the thrower is located in the away end. so why do people think that the problem will magically go away if they are downstairs?

and thats before the problem of shifting 5000 home fans and blocking off a massive chunk of the lower bowl and all the logistics that go around that.

so aye, creating a shitstorm for themselves. why not just try and solve the actual problem, instead of moving it and creating several other problems in the process
 
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tunstallhill said:
where to in the lower bowl? do you think being in a lower bowl makes a dickhead who will throw a glass bottle into a crowd turn into a dickhead that won't throw a glass bottle into a crowd?
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Absolutely anywhere, probably NE corner, would mean I’d have to move my season ticket but would be worth it.

Yeah, I do think it would help. A lot less dangerous throwing something sideways than down a massive tier drop.
 
excalibur said:
Absolute scum. I spoke to one of our stewards in north stand. She said we are helpless as Coventry came with their own clubs stewards who weren’t stopping them. She was livid.

I also spoke to the police outside the ground saying it’s a disgrace. The copper was just angry saying we are monitoring the situation outside the ground and couldn’t do anything inside.

So I hbe three very serious safety questions.

1) how is it allowed that they bring their own stewards who know nothing about the layout and safety protocols of our ground?

2) given especially last time we played them why didn’t the police steward it in the ground in their upper tier?

3) why do we persist in having away fans above us? Why not put them in a corner whereby we can control them in the lower bowl?

I’m angry about the potential for serious injury here. Why will it take before something is done.
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It comes down to money....the club wot go the extra mile and pay for better policing (only pay for bare minimum to get safety cert)they are happy with low paid teenagers and coffin dodgers!The club wont pay for safety netting because of the cost ..so if somebody gets hurt ( its not the somme ) the club must take the responsibility ......I personally would ban Coventry fans at all grounds until the culprit is found and instigate a six game ban for clubs if pyrotechnics are used as weapons...because that what it was on Sunday .
 
Hmmmmmm returns said:
Absolutely anywhere, probably NE corner, would mean I’d have to move my season ticket but would be worth it.

Yeah, I do think it would help. A lot less dangerous throwing something sideways than down a massive tier drop.
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so your solution is block out a 5000 seat block from the north east corner around into the east stand?
chunkyshitehawk53 said:
Well quite. Surely the answer is just ban Coventry then, and then no one needs to be moved
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yep, the simple answer to this in the short term. just release a statement today - COVENTRY CITY FANS BANNED FROM SOL - simple, effective and should sort 99% of the problem out without costing a penny
 
E Tenebris Lux said:
Where were the Stewards and Police. They are far too soft and lenient with away fans.Surely they should have anticipated this anti social and dangerous behaviour. Were arrests made ?
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Will people stop blaming the stewards. Take a look at them next time your there. Minimum wage, 4 hours pay I guess, no particular criteria. They are not like licensed doormen (which is what is needed) as they cost three times as much.
They are just pawns in the set up.
It’s the leadership of the club you have to look at, it’s them that set the security and safety policy and it’s them that resource it.
 
Bamber said:
Just don’t let Coventry fans back. I think it really is as simple as that. To think last time we played Newcastle the only noteworthy thing that happened was one of them broke a seat and took it home with him :lol:

QPR up next will be no bother at all.
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We said that about Morecambe and a smoke bomb was also chucked
 
HaddingtonHowler said:
This should be reported and pick up on the cctv who that was and hand it to the police. Hopefully the cctv images are clear (they should be. This needs addressed officially and a public outcome to be addressed too. This way we know our safety is taking serious when paying money to see our lads play and enjoy the day out.
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I will be amazed if CCTV is clear, I have worked at prisons and the systems there are shit
 
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