USA 15 dead in Elementary school shooting at Robb elementary school

Guns definitely not the problem though. Doors, liberals, rap music, video games, not enough nurses carrying a Sig-Sauer, liberals again and most of all doors.
The shootings just go on and on.


 


Still waiting @Hugh Gains

Bottling it? What a surprise.

Bottled a forum post?
Behave yourself.

That's just plain wrong. I don't expect you'll reply, I've called you out on your views on a range of topics and you never reply. You like to post your spin and call people out but you avoid any actual debate. Anyways:

1. It wasn't just honking horns on trucks. It was a coordinated blockade of Ottawa, that was causing significant disruption to the lives of people living in the city.

2. It doesn't matter if the 'cause' is legitimate, if the means are not. This is just spin to make him sound worse than he is, and you know this. For instance, Insulate Britain is a completely legitimate cause, but if they blockaded London with lorries, and this blockade was being enabled by people transferring them money, then stopping that funding would be a necessary step to ending the blockade.

3. Trudeau didn't vilify anyone. He put in place a policy which was designed to protect the health of the people of Canada. If that's divisive, well that's a price worth paying to save lives.

I've said it before and I've said it again, 90% of the people who back the Ottawa blockade, wouldn't back it for another cause. If there was a blockade of Washington, D.C. by Black Lives Matter, using the exact same methods, then you would back Trump for breaking the blockade if he used the same tactics as Trudeau.

I didn't back Insulate Britain's methods blocking roads in this country. I don't agree with people blockading cities and disrupting people's lives. Neither do a majority of Canadians, and neither do many Conservative voices in Canada. I've posted all of this before in my discussions with @safcforever.

It was a blockade designed to cause significant disruption to Canada's capital city. Trump wouldn't have tolerated one in DC and Boris wouldn't tolerate one in London.

I appreciate that you back the truckers and their cause, which is 110% your right to do so, but you have deliberately and grossly misrepresented the facts to suit your argument.

Whilst it's true there was significant disruption isn't that the aim of a protest, it would be pretty toothless otherwise. However disruption does not equate to violence or it being illegal and certainly did not warrant the use of a totally egregious emergency powers act, which is pure comedy to see a 'liberal' leader pull out the totalitarian truncheon. With merely the stroke of a pen he was able to take away peoples civil liberties, arrest them and cut them off from their finances before the ink had even dried. No veto and no courts. How anyone can deem that response acceptable in a democratic society, my word. It's alarmingly eye opening.


The impetus for all of these was, of course, that the protests were “disruptive” — the same logic now being used by Trudeau. But protests are meant to be disruptive! Civil disobedience is, after all, a hallmark of nonviolent protests.

Similarly, the Black Lives Matter protests of the past few years have frequently closed freeways and occupied the streets.

Many of us on the left rightly cheered these actions on as loudly and resoundingly as we condemned both Tom Cotton’s op-ed and Trump’s use of state violence against peaceful protestors. Protests are a democratic right, we pointed out, while the actions of the Republicans were the hallmarks of an authoritarian regime — not of a democratic society.

The invocation of the Emergencies Act paves the way for such a gross violation of civil liberties. Trudeau may think he can get away with it because these protests are so unpopular; nearly three-quarters of Canadians want the convoy protests to cease. But the mark of a democratic society is not how it responds to popular views. It is how it tolerates unpopular and dissenting views. And right now, Canada is not meeting its mark.'

His response to this has been nothing short of authoritarian and the manner in which he's orchestrated the Canadian COVID responses echoes similar sentiments. And yes he did vilify the anti-vax and the unvaccinated, repeatedly. It's one thing to bring in laws/measures to require vaccination it's another to publicly criticise, dismiss, shame and ostracise those who don't agree thus creating a divide.
 
Bottled a forum post?
Behave yourself.



Whilst it's true there was significant disruption isn't that the aim of a protest, it would be pretty toothless otherwise. However disruption does not equate to violence or it being illegal and certainly did not warrant the use of a totally egregious emergency powers act, which is pure comedy to see a 'liberal' leader pull out the totalitarian truncheon. With merely the stroke of a pen he was able to take away peoples civil liberties, arrest them and cut them off from their finances before the ink had even dried. No veto and no courts. How anyone can deem that response acceptable in a democratic society, my word. It's alarmingly eye opening.


The impetus for all of these was, of course, that the protests were “disruptive” — the same logic now being used by Trudeau. But protests are meant to be disruptive! Civil disobedience is, after all, a hallmark of nonviolent protests.

Similarly, the Black Lives Matter protests of the past few years have frequently closed freeways and occupied the streets.

Many of us on the left rightly cheered these actions on as loudly and resoundingly as we condemned both Tom Cotton’s op-ed and Trump’s use of state violence against peaceful protestors. Protests are a democratic right, we pointed out, while the actions of the Republicans were the hallmarks of an authoritarian regime — not of a democratic society.

The invocation of the Emergencies Act paves the way for such a gross violation of civil liberties. Trudeau may think he can get away with it because these protests are so unpopular; nearly three-quarters of Canadians want the convoy protests to cease. But the mark of a democratic society is not how it responds to popular views. It is how it tolerates unpopular and dissenting views. And right now, Canada is not meeting its mark.'

His response to this has been nothing short of authoritarian and the manner in which he's orchestrated the Canadian COVID responses echoes similar sentiments. And yes he did vilify the anti-vax and the unvaccinated, repeatedly. It's one thing to bring in laws/measures to require vaccination it's another to publicly criticise, dismiss, shame and ostracise those who don't agree thus creating a divide.

Skylar Baker-Jordan | The Independent

Bit of a rent-a-gob our Skylar.

Interesting the different reactions we all have to BLM, Truckers, Insulate Britain, Statue Pissers Veterans, etc
 
This makes me angry, people need to secure their weapons properly. It’s not f***ing hard.

There should be no second chances, if you “forget” and leave your weapon out of the safe then pull their licence. If you forget you have a weapon with you then you’re obviously not taking it serious enough.
 
This makes me angry, people need to secure their weapons properly. It’s not f***ing hard.

There should be no second chances, if you “forget” and leave your weapon out of the safe then pull their licence. If you forget you have a weapon with you then you’re obviously not taking it serious enough.
What licence would that be?
 
Where in the USA do you need one of those?
I’m not going through all the states because you can do it yourself (and you know you could)

Even the “loose” states like Alabama requires a permit to conceal carry.

States like New York and Illinois require a full licence.
 
I’m not going through all the states because you can do it yourself (and you know you could)
fill your boots
Even the “loose” states like Alabama requires a permit to conceal carry.
Alabama just repealed it’s concealed carry laws - not required from Jan 1st. 2023
States like New York and Illinois require a full licence.
Only for handguns in New York, and some others.

I was only trying to point out that gun laws by state vary, and very few (5) have restrictions on both long guns and hand guns, and very few require you to register your firearms. The threat of removing a license is meaningless in the vast majority of states, just prove you are over 18.
 
The only way to identify a child was her shoes.


I was a little taken aback by how brutally honest he was. It was a little upsetting but people need to be upset. I’ve put what he said in a spoiler just because of how graphic it was.

I want every senator to have to see the photos from the scene. I want them to have to look at the barely identifiable remains and justify to the parents why they won’t do something.

Will they though, or will they just pander to the gun lobby?

he pretty much said the exit wounds from an AR-15 are so large that it mutilated the bodies and left some of them unidentifiable
 
I was a little taken aback by how brutally honest he was. It was a little upsetting but people need to be upset. I’ve put what he said in a spoiler just because of how graphic it was.

I want every senator to have to see the photos from the scene. I want them to have to look at the barely identifiable remains and justify to the parents why they won’t do something.

Will they though, or will they just pander to the gun lobby?

he pretty much said the exit wounds from an AR-15 are so large that it mutilated the bodies and left some of them unidentifiable
Jake Tapper of CNN was on Colbert this week and he touched on the graphic element - he feels they have to be too sanitized in how they cover events. Feels it needs to be more graphic (within reason, obviously) to upset people and light a fire under others to do something. Even just that there's too much feed of officers milling around vs ambulances rushing away or body bags coming out
 

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