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Goodbye Marcus North

The Rat said:
Thats not really how it works is it in sport, the best players dont make the best coaches and administraros, they never have.

I'd even suggest a bloke who knows both sides, success and failure, is more suited

BTW his test average would average more than any other debutant bar 1 since Joe Root if he played in this era ;)

just saying
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Meh, you’re arguing a completely different point to the one I’m interested in anyway.
 

Parkside said:
That's how appointments work. You list essential and desirable qualifications and you draw up a shortlist on how many boxes applicants tick.
I'd be asking the question why have so many suitable candidates either not been interested or turned down the approach. I'd then adjust the job specification accordingly. That's not criticism,it's suggesting constructive amendments to make the best appointment.
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Based on that you’d have appointed Ashley Giles :lol:
brandon said:
Meh, you’re arguing a completely different point to the one I’m interested in anyway.
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Just as I thought

Nothing but criticism

It gets boring when just post after post of negativity mate
 
The Rat said:
Based on that you’d have appointed Ashley Giles :lol:


Just as I thought

Nothing but criticism

It gets boring when just post after post of negativity mate
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Why are you trying to pick a fight with me Johnson? I’ve given you my opinion and explained why I feel the way I do - it is based on YEARS and YEARS of bad experiences of FTECB mismanagement. The ridiculous decisions, the corruption, the ruination of the England team AND the county game. I mean for f*ck sake; our county still hasn’t recovered from the brutal torture at their hand and yet here you are, trying to tell us all to be positive :lol:

It isn’t negativity. It’s reality. What the actual f*ck have we got to be positive about with regards the vile bastards who run (sic*) this game?

Unless of course you’d like to tell us all that we should trust FTECB with our lives AND our cricket clubs…?

Didn’t think so.

*although probably should include an ‘i’ after the ‘u’ and before the ‘n’
 
brandon said:
Why are you trying to pick a fight with me Johnson? I’ve given you my opinion and explained why I feel the way I do - it is based on YEARS and YEARS of bad experiences of FTECB mismanagement. The ridiculous decisions, the corruption, the ruination of the England team AND the county game. I mean for f*ck sake; our county still hasn’t recovered from the brutal torture at their hand and yet here you are, trying to tell us all to be positive :lol:

It isn’t negativity. It’s reality. What the actual f*ck have we got to be positive about with regards the vile bastards who run (sic*) this game?

Unless of course you’d like to tell us all that we should trust FTECB with our lives AND our cricket clubs…?

Didn’t think so.

*although probably should include an ‘i’ after the ‘u’ and before the ‘n’
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I'm not

you didnt given an opinion, you just said you werent interested in that and started moaning again :lol:

Trying to relate Durham's sanctions to your views on what Rob Key might do witht he england first team is some stretch like :lol:


this post just compeltely proving my point
 
The Rat said:
I'm not

you didnt given an opinion, you just said you werent interested in that and started moaning again :lol:

Trying to relate Durham's sanctions to your views on what Rob Key might do witht he england first team is some stretch like :lol:


this post just compeltely proving my point
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Ah, two laughing smilies to outdo my singular. I see you…

I DID give my opinion, in my initial post. Then you got all hysterical and demanded that I be much more positive and come up with the solution. Remember?

Which lead me to mention exactly why I was negative and why it was entirely relevant to bring up FTECB (SPOILER ALERT 🚨: THEY MAKE THE DECISIONS ON THIS).

It isn’t a stretch whatsoever, because (this might come as a surprise to you too) the same people responsible for Rob Key’s appointment are the same people responsible for the ruination of cricket in this country. Consider your mind blown.

I suspected it last week, now I’m fairly certain - you’re really becoming a contrarian for the sake of it on here and I don’t get why. It’s far too much effort in my eyes to disagree for the sake of it, especially when it’s evident from your previous views on Durham and England that this is a complete blue on blue attack.

You wailing about the links to FTECB on this is very reminiscent about the goons in the Ukraine War thread whinging “don’t bring politics into this”.

The two are intrinsically linked, whether you, I or anyone else likes it or not.
 
brandon said:
Ah, two laughing smilies to outdo my singular. I see you…

I DID give my opinion, in my initial post. Then you got all hysterical and demanded that I be much more positive and come up with the solution. Remember?

Which lead me to mention exactly why I was negative and why it was entirely relevant to bring up FTECB (SPOILER ALERT 🚨: THEY MAKE THE DECISIONS ON THIS).

It isn’t a stretch whatsoever, because (this might come as a surprise to you too) the same people responsible for Rob Key’s appointment are the same people responsible for the ruination of cricket in this country. Consider your mind blown.

I suspected it last week, now I’m fairly certain - you’re really becoming a contrarian for the sake of it on here and I don’t get why. It’s far too much effort in my eyes to disagree for the sake of it, especially when it’s evident from your previous views on Durham and England that this is a complete blue on blue attack.

You wailing about the links to FTECB on this is very reminiscent about the goons in the Ukraine War thread whinging “don’t bring politics into this”.

The two are intrinsically linked, whether you, I or anyone else likes it or not.
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i'm not hysterical at all

I am just saying turning every single discussion about a cricket issue into a massive rant about the ECB is boring as fuck

is this what you are like when you talk to your mates? dont you ever just chat about cricket and have some crack. you dont see to enjoy it much mate.

so so so boring.
 
The Rat said:
i'm not hysterical at all

I am just saying turning every single discussion about a cricket issue into a massive rant about the ECB is boring as fuck
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I don’t do that. AND if you go and look again, I didn’t in this thread - you did, when you took offence at me being ‘negative’.
 
Parkside said:
Based on what? I haven't suggested any required qualifications.
You're happy with Key. You're entitled to your opinion. We'll leave it there.
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I am moderately happy I would just like to here realistic altenatives before everyone just starts slagging him off

I am not Rob Key fan club member like
 
The Rat said:
I am moderately happy I would just like to here realistic altenatives before everyone just starts slagging him off

I am not Rob Key fan club member like
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I think our basic difference in opinion is that I hold the view that a suitable candidate should have evidence of proven success in that field. My concern is that Key has no such experience. There'll be plenty of candidates out there who have; the fact that I can't name any off the top of my head doesn't lessen my argument.
I go back though to why are there so few candidates and why did some withdraw. We'll you don't know who you'd be answerable to-do there's no ECB chairman and the CEO is a dead man walking. England,given their packed schedules, are always hip-hop prepared for test series. These need to be addressed before the post will attract the right calibre.
 
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Parkside said:
I think our basic difference in opinion is that I hold the view that a suitable candidate should have evidence of proven success in that field. My concern is that Key has no such experience. There'll be plenty of candidates out there who have; the fact that I can't name any off the top of my head doesn't lessen my argument.
I go back though to why are there so few candidates and why did some withdraw. We'll you don't know who you'd be answerable to-do there's no ECB chairman and the CEO is a dead man walking. England,given their packed schedules, are always hip-hop prepared for test series. These need to be addressed before the post will attract the right calibre.
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Its a very niche job

and someone who has had moderate success like Giles is not cut out for it

I think it makes no difference at all

I think the fact you literally cant name one does lessen your argument tbh
 
The Rat said:
Its a very niche job

and someone who has had moderate success like Giles is not cut out for it

I think it makes no difference at all

I think the fact you literally cant name one does lessen your argument tbh
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We'll North is one for a start and there are plenty of Do C both domestically and N
nationally,some of whom must have been successful. As I said we're coming from it from differing standpoints. We disagree! I can accept that ,no problem.
 
Parkside said:
We'll North is one for a start and there are plenty of Do C both domestically and N
nationally,some of whom must have been successful. As I said we're coming from it from differing standpoints. We disagree! I can accept that ,no problem.
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I just don’t think there are as many as you think
 
brandon said:
I didn’t realise I had to offer a solution. I’ll make sure to send my expenses form into FTECB for my working out over the next few days now that I’m on the selection panel though ;).

Look, it’s quite simple - as a Durham supporter who has already been hurt time and time again at their hands, I’m very dubious about FTECB and their ‘vision’ for county cricket. I worry that Rob Key will be prepared to do their bidding, as opposed to doing what’s best for county cricket. That was the sole reason for my post and I stand by my judgement of the bloke until such a time that he proves us wrong. I really really want to be wrong on this one, but it’s very much a ‘once bitten, twice shy’ sort of stance that I will always take on issues relating to FTECB until proven otherwise.


All that is based around the assumption that he’ll actually be allowed to do what he wants to do though - history suggests FTECB don’t want independent thinkers.
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But if Key is appointed he'll be a hired hand so of course he'll do what his boss/FTECB tell him to and so will anyone else. I'm not looking for him to make strategic changes, that can't be his role unless whoever is appointed is specifically instruct to do that.
I'm looking and hoping for change at the ECB and I don't think that will happen without it's failing being more apparent than they are at present. One thing trigger change would be if the T16.4 thing falls on it's arse.
 
Bri said:
But if Key is appointed he'll be a hired hand so of course he'll do what his boss/FTECB tell him to and so will anyone else. I'm not looking for him to make strategic changes, that can't be his role unless whoever is appointed is specifically instruct to do that.
I'm looking and hoping for change at the ECB and I don't think that will happen without it's failing being more apparent than they are at present. One thing trigger change would be if the T16.4 thing falls on it's arse.
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I am a test cricket lover, its my favourite sport, and what I wanna see is improvement in the test team

My own belief is that this can happen without total change to the game, I dont believe this idea that there arent a combination of cricketers in England, with the right coaches and set up, that could succeed.

Thats what I am interested in, and I do not believe appointing a CC director of cricket like North, Stewart, Giles will have make that happen.
 
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