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Booing prior to the kick off.

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Black Cat Gypsy said:
People who don't take the knee because it's hypocritical is different from booing it. Black players don't take the knee.

I don't know anyone who boos it for being hypocritical. A lot of people have said that on here. But booing it does make you like a racist.
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No it doesn’t. For a start, how do you know that no black people boo it.
 

1879 said:
I seriously miss the days when football was just about going to the match with family and friends.

The geo political nature of the game due to state ownership, the vast sums of money / corruption involved as absolutely destroyed it 😞

As you say, Southgate, the players and the FA could make a real statement and difference by sticking 2 fingers up and not going to Qatar.

Same with the Premier League and the mags takeover (although that ship has sailed) The game we love is fucked.
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Somebody said to me the other day,it wouldn't make a difference if just England boycotted.I disagreed.I think it would be a massive statement.Probably the biggest thing ever to have happened at a world cup
 
Skylon said:
Somebody said to me the other day,it wouldn't make a difference if just England boycotted.I disagreed.I think it would be a massive statement.Probably the biggest thing ever to have happened at a world cup
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It would, also cause a domino effect especially with what’s going in the world atm.

No chance of it happening now unfortunately.
 
Black Cat Gypsy said:
I very seriously doubt black people would boo it.:lol:
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There is the problem though, you are talking about black people. That is racist in itself, Asian people are grossly underrepresented both on the playing field, and as spectators. Taking the knee was associated from the start with Black Lives Matter. I cannot accept that, all lives matter equally. LGBT have managed to get their message across, why can t equal opportunity groups not adopt a similar approach.
 
maghater said:
There is the problem though, you are talking about black people. That is racist in itself, Asian people are grossly underrepresented both on the playing field, and as spectators. Taking the knee was associated from the start with Black Lives Matter. I cannot accept that, all lives matter equally. LGBT have managed to get their message across, why can t equal opportunity groups not adopt a similar approach.
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It sounds hard being you
 
maghater said:
There is the problem though, you are talking about black people. That is racist in itself, Asian people are grossly underrepresented both on the playing field, and as spectators. Taking the knee was associated from the start with Black Lives Matter. I cannot accept that, all lives matter equally. LGBT have managed to get their message across, why can t equal opportunity groups not adopt a similar approach.
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Talking about black people is racist now?Taking the knee is having much more of an impact than ,say for instance,kick it out.
 
maghater said:
There is the problem though, you are talking about black people. That is racist in itself, Asian people are grossly underrepresented both on the playing field, and as spectators. Taking the knee was associated from the start with Black Lives Matter. I cannot accept that, all lives matter equally. LGBT have managed to get their message across, why can t equal opportunity groups not adopt a similar approach.
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Black Lives Matter means All Lives Matter.:lol:

It doesn't mean black lives are more important or only matter. It means that black lives are equal to every other lives and should be treated all the same.
 
Skylon said:
Talking about black people is racist now?Taking the knee is having much more of an impact than ,say for instance,kick it out.
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No but prioritising one group of people above another is. Is taking the knee having an impact? I would suggest otherwise, and if you get a not insignificant number of people booing it, then it is as I said counter productive. Kick it out wasn't a great success, but having a LGBT day, with easily identifiable colours and emblems certainly is.
 
Black Cat Gypsy said:
Black Lives Matter means All Lives Matter.:lol:

It doesn't mean black lives are more important or only matter. It means that black lives are equal to every other lives and should be treated all the same.
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So why when people said “All Lives Matter” did the mob berate them for being racist?
 
Safc98 said:
So why when people said “All Lives Matter” did the mob berate them for being racist?
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Because not all lives are treated equally. That's the point.
maghater said:
No but prioritising one group of people above another is. Is taking the knee having an impact? I would suggest otherwise, and if you get a not insignificant number of people booing it, then it is as I said counter productive. Kick it out wasn't a great success, but having a LGBT day, with easily identifiable colours and emblems certainly is.
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And every year we have the same people moaning about it. 'I don't know why they need to ram it down people's throats'.
 
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maghater said:
No but prioritising one group of people above another is. Is taking the knee having an impact? I would suggest otherwise, and if you get a not insignificant number of people booing it, then it is as I said counter productive. Kick it out wasn't a great success, but having a LGBT day, with easily identifiable colours and emblems certainly is.
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Was it? Rainbow laces got absolutely slated on here
 
North Yorks Mackem said:
Why is a group of men kneeling for a couple of seconds a fuss?! Christ man, you're making out we have to watch like a 20 minute documentary on racial equality before each game.

Its really simple this kneeling malarkey. It has zero impact on our match day experience. If you think it does, well, I think that's a reflection on you.
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As said elsewhere, it has become meaningless as nothing has been achieved by it. So unless there is a pressing event that morally necessitates an action at the time continue with it?

I've problems with how it came to be a popular gesture, given my aforementioned observations with George Floyd. It was very wrong the way he died, even if he was a recidivism. But I'm not taking the knee given it has become linked with someone who was a repeat offender. As @1879 comments, it's use at some clubs is actually hypocritical (take the knee at NUFC, fans clap, Saudi owners with dubious backgrounds - noting we'd be be seen as inferior in Arabia as we're not Muslim).

I've already said I'm not among the booers as that conveys the wrong message too.

But it comes down to the fact I'm at a game for a football match and not a political protest.
 
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Its been said before, but imagine people booed The Last Post on Armistice Day then said:

"I'm not against war heroes, its just the hypocrisy of celebrating war whilst other wars are going in"
"Why are we prioritisng WW1? All wars matter"
"I'm not against Poppys, I just want to get on watching the match to escape from the outside world, not have flowers rammed down my throat"
"X served in the army and he doesn't even celebrate it"
"Yeah, it's sad that millions of people died, but Churchill was a wrongun anyway"
 
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