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Michael Mosley Who made Britain fat ? c4

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Mantobar said:
HFSS is going to make absolutely no difference
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Don't they make sofas?
Harry Angstrom said:
I am against a Nanny State to be fair but I would be happy if they shut all fast food places and stopped the production of microwave meals etc and made everyone cook everything from scratch. Ration eating out to once a month.

They won't and I don't care either way.
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That's a bit harsh on the elderly who struggle to make stuff. Microwave meals keep a lot of them going.

Other than that, I shall consider hiring you as Food Consultant, when my Tyrannical Regime takes hold
 
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Keawyeds said:
That's a bit harsh on the elderly who struggle to make stuff. Microwave meals keep a lot of them going.

Other than that, I shall consider hiring you as Food Consultant, when my Tyrannical Regime takes hold
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Wheels on Meals can return. Otherwise it's good for the oldies to struggle.
 
PTR said:
He literally says the opposite of that
Watch the show
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I'm sure whatever he says will be spot on and sensible and will make a difference. I am a huge fan. His Eat, Fast Live Longer was absolutely life changing.

However, nothing will be done so either take responsibility for your own actions or be fat and happy.

Edit, I will watch, I watch all his stuff but I doubt there will be anything in it I haven't seen before.
 
Harry Angstrom said:
I'm sure whatever he says will be spot on and sensible and will make a difference. I am a huge fan. His Eat, Fast Live Longer was absolutely life changing.

However, nothing will be done so either take responsibility for your own actions or be fat and happy.

Edit, I will watch, I watch all his stuff but I doubt there will be anything in it I haven't seen before.
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43:30 - the "Tzsar" (or however its spelt) for this in the government literally says if the concept of personal responsibility isn't laughed out of the room, then he will have failed in his role.

I don't usually watch live telly, but it was on when we sat down to eat our tea (ironically), and yeah, it was a very good show and we left it on.
 
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PTR said:
43:30 - the "Zsar" for this in the government literally says if the concept of personal responsibility isn't laughed out of the room, then he will have failed in his role.

I don't usually watch live telly, but it was on when we sat down to eat our tea (ironically), and yeah, it was a very good show and we left it on.
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Well I'm happy with any measures he proposes to be passed.
 
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ajthemackem said:
I think he may be slightly wrong regarding GP diet advice.
I think the issue these days is that GPs aren't comfortable telling a person "look, half your health issues are caused by you being overweight" because then people go to the papers... :lol:
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Well the GPs on the show tended to agree .I had a proper hospital appointment a few years back to look at possible causes of stuff through diet and it consisted of info you can find on the back of a food packet
Telling you stuff like you'd just landed from Mars
 
PTR said:
43:30 - the "Tzsar" (or however its spelt) for this in the government literally says if the concept of personal responsibility isn't laughed out of the room, then he will have failed in his role.

I don't usually watch live telly, but it was on when we sat down to eat our tea (ironically), and yeah, it was a very good show and we left it on.
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On the latest episode someone representing the supermarkets admitted they spend the thick end of £1.7bn on making sure unhealthy products were placed in exactly the parts of the shop that would encourage people to buy them, not to mention the packaging, advertising, engineering of the food to be the digestive equivalent of crack, obfuscating the labelling of food so you don't really know what's in it, lobbying the government so that none of the above gets regulated, hacking the phones, computers and workplaces of people campaigning on food health issues (allegedly), etc etc.

There's also the problem that the information people get on what is healthy and what the best forms of exercise and diet are can be a bit vague - last night they were talking about the healthy eating guides being 30 years old and pretty basic, GPs having had no training on nutrition and the government spending about £1 on health and nutrition education and guidance for every £250k the food industry is spending on pushing unhealthy products. And that's before you get to the completely unregulated industry of diet books and wankers on YouTube saying "Everything you've ever been told about being healthy is wrong! Buy my service instead"...

And of course the problem of businesses essentially targeting poor areas with 3 chicken shops for every man woman and child living there.

People DO need to take personal responsibility but if a society is interested in the outcome of the efforts of millions of people to do that and the information that would help them in their efforts, vs the huge amounts of resources being pumped into the opposite outcome, that society wants to stop taking a piece of wet celery to a gunfight
 
JAZZMANB said:
Well the GPs on the show tended to agree .I had a proper hospital appointment a few years back to look at possible causes of stuff through diet and it consisted of info you can find on the back of a food packet
Telling you stuff like you'd just landed from Mars
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If a doctor says you are a fat fuck and need to lose weight many people do.
 
Cockney Mackem said:
On the latest episode someone representing the supermarkets admitted they spend the thick end of £1.7bn on making sure unhealthy products were placed in exactly the parts of the shop that would encourage people to buy them, not to mention the packaging, advertising, engineering of the food to be the digestive equivalent of crack, obfuscating the labelling of food so you don't really know what's in it, lobbying the government so that none of the above gets regulated, hacking the phones, computers and workplaces of people campaigning on food health issues (allegedly), etc etc.

There's also the problem that the information people get on what is healthy and what the best forms of exercise and diet are can be a bit vague - last night they were talking about the healthy eating guides being 30 years old and pretty basic, GPs having had no training on nutrition and the government spending about £1 on health and nutrition education and guidance for every £250k the food industry is spending on pushing unhealthy products. And that's before you get to the completely unregulated industry of diet books and wankers on YouTube saying "Everything you've ever been told about being healthy is wrong! Buy my service instead"...

And of course the problem of businesses essentially targeting poor areas with 3 chicken shops for every man woman and child living there.

People DO need to take personal responsibility but if a society is interested in the outcome of the efforts of millions of people to do that and the information that would help them in their efforts, vs the huge amounts of resources being pumped into the opposite outcome, that society wants to stop taking a piece of wet celery to a gunfight
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Excellent analysis that.
 
JAZZMANB said:
When there's 7 sugar cubes in a 400ml apple juice and 10 in some flavoured milk we're being duped . Take aways next to schools . Crap food cheaper than healthy food etc
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Information is out there. I stopped drinking any fruit juice years ago.
If you are overweight and the majority of people are then you need to change some habits. Adults drinking flavoured milk for example.
Cockney Mackem said:
On the latest episode someone representing the supermarkets admitted they spend the thick end of £1.7bn on making sure unhealthy products were placed in exactly the parts of the shop that would encourage people to buy them, not to mention the packaging, advertising, engineering of the food to be the digestive equivalent of crack, obfuscating the labelling of food so you don't really know what's in it, lobbying the government so that none of the above gets regulated, hacking the phones, computers and workplaces of people campaigning on food health issues (allegedly), etc etc.

There's also the problem that the information people get on what is healthy and what the best forms of exercise and diet are can be a bit vague - last night they were talking about the healthy eating guides being 30 years old and pretty basic, GPs having had no training on nutrition and the government spending about £1 on health and nutrition education and guidance for every £250k the food industry is spending on pushing unhealthy products. And that's before you get to the completely unregulated industry of diet books and wankers on YouTube saying "Everything you've ever been told about being healthy is wrong! Buy my service instead"...

And of course the problem of businesses essentially targeting poor areas with 3 chicken shops for every man woman and child living there.

People DO need to take personal responsibility but if a society is interested in the outcome of the efforts of millions of people to do that and the information that would help them in their efforts, vs the huge amounts of resources being pumped into the opposite outcome, that society wants to stop taking a piece of wet celery to a gunfight
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The only way to sort it out is to take crap off the shelves and shut crappy takeaways. Anything else is pissing in the wind
 
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Harry Angstrom said:
If a doctor says you are a fat fuck and need to lose weight many people do.
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Clearly not ,people know they are fat before they visit
Not all of us are in this bracket but the numbers tell a story and its not good especially for kids where your So be it view doesnt really sound too good
Harry Angstrom said:
Information is out there. I stopped drinking any fruit juice years ago.
If you are overweight and the majority of people are then you need to change some habits. Adults drinking flavoured milk for example.

The only way to sort it out is to take crap off the shelves and shut crappy takeaways. Anything else is pissing in the wind
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You're in the group who watches MM and the like ,i am too ,i too have stopped eatiing things through education but there's a massive chunk dont sit watching c4 documentaries .We didnt all watch them in the 70s yet we werent all Whales because the food chain wasnt corrupt like now
 
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JAZZMANB said:
Clearly not ,people know they are fat before they visit
Not all of us are in this bracket but the numbers tell a story and its not good especially for kids where your So be it view doesnt really sound too good
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I’m happy for any draconian measures to brought in to stem this. I would succumb to the cheap chocolate and shite takeaways but always in moderation. However, getting older I thought what I eat has become much more important. So to avoid all the shite I went vegan (daughter’s suggestion) and it worked. Most of the stuff he mentions is off limits. Now I no longer crave crap and prefer more varied more nutrient dense food.
Without taking away temptation it is very difficult for even motivated people not to eat shite.

So my point is, either take responsibility or be fat and happy.

Most people are overweight. What is considered normal for a middle aged person is at least 20 lbs overweight.
 
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