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Michael Mosley Who made Britain fat ? c4

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JAZZMANB said:
I like his stuff
This one made for hard but unsurprising viewing
Shit food cheaper than good food
Hard sell at the Supermarkets on unhealthy option
More take aways the poorer the area
Hidden sugars
The incredible rise in Just eat etc
GPs diet advice basic non existent

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I think he may be slightly wrong regarding GP diet advice.
I think the issue these days is that GPs aren't comfortable telling a person "look, half your health issues are caused by you being overweight" because then people go to the papers... :lol:
 
All the funding concentrates on people taking personal responsibility - funding that is about 1% of what the "bad foods" spend marketing their products to the same people.

The personal responsibility approach will never work. It never worked with smoking. Government intervention is what helped with that.

Also, the narrative that "move more" is the answer is simply a diversion - it doesn't really help. But its ideal in that it allows these companies to pretend it isn't their fault, and that the answer is elsewhere. "Look over there, not at us".

There was a very good programme on the telly just the other week about it.
 
JAZZMANB said:
I like his stuff
This one made for hard but unsurprising viewing
Shit food cheaper than good food
Hard sell at the Supermarkets on unhealthy option
More take aways the poorer the area
Hidden sugars
The incredible rise in Just eat etc
GPs diet advice basic non existent

Can't see a fix
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He is spot on.

The fix is for people to take personal responsibility or be fat and happy.
 
Harry Angstrom said:
He is spot on.

The fix is for people to take personal responsibility or be fat and happy.
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People aren’t going to take that responsibility, or at least a vast majority aren’t. As another poster alluded to, it never worked for smoking and it’s not working for drinking.

It’s a tricky one for me because I am not overtly keen on “nanny state” type policy, but on the other hand we have universal health care and I’m paying the same % as John Smith who drinks, smokes and has a shit diet.
 
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SR7 said:
People aren’t going to take that responsibility, or at least a vast majority aren’t. As another poster alluded to, it never worked for smoking and it’s not working for drinking.

It’s a tricky one for me because I am not overtly keen on “nanny state” type policy, but on the other hand we have universal health care and I’m paying the same % as John Smith who drinks, smokes and has a shit diet.
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To be fair, that's me. :lol:
Although I can't remember the last time I went to the doctor...
 
SR7 said:
People aren’t going to take that responsibility, or at least a vast majority aren’t. As another poster alluded to, it never worked for smoking and it’s not working for drinking.

It’s a tricky one for me because I am not overtly keen on “nanny state” type policy, but on the other hand we have universal health care and I’m paying the same % as John Smith who drinks, smokes and has a shit diet.
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It is tricky as your last paragraph is overly simplistic. John smith might not have kids but pays into the education pot. He may never need the police or social services. He will require society to reproduce to keep old age provision and pensions topped up.

We shouldn’t look at this from an individualistic point of view but from a compassionate society first POV.

I acknowledge there needs to be tougher conversations on obesity and diet in thus country however.
 
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ajthemackem said:
To be fair, that's me. :lol:
Although I can't remember the last time I went to the doctor...
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Me neither but that’s because I can’t get an appointment. They open appointments 8am each day, the line is rammed and by the time I get my dinner break they have none left. I just ride it out if can be nowadays.
Billy2Sheds said:
It is tricky as your last paragraph is overly simplistic. John smith might not have kids but pays into the education pot. He may never need the police or social services. He will require society to reproduce to keep old age provision and pensions topped up.

We shouldn’t look at this from an individualistic point of view but from a compassionate society first POV.

I acknowledge there needs to be tougher conversations on obesity and diet in thus country however.
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Fair one, but I find it hard to be compassionate towards someone smoking, drinking and eating their way to an early grave.
 
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SR7 said:
People aren’t going to take that responsibility, or at least a vast majority aren’t. As another poster alluded to, it never worked for smoking and it’s not working for drinking.

It’s a tricky one for me because I am not overtly keen on “nanny state” type policy, but on the other hand we have universal health care and I’m paying the same % as John Smith who drinks, smokes and has a shit diet.
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I am against a Nanny State to be fair but I would be happy if they shut all fast food places and stopped the production of microwave meals etc and made everyone cook everything from scratch. Ration eating out to once a month.

They won't and I don't care either way.
 
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SR7 said:
Me neither but that’s because I can’t get an appointment. They open appointments 8am each day, the line is rammed and by the time I get my dinner break they have none left. I just ride it out if can be nowadays.

Fair one, but I find it hard to be compassionate towards someone smoking, drinking and eating their way to an early grave.
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Funnily enough I can see a link between both of your comments
 
SR7 said:
Me neither but that’s because I can’t get an appointment. They open appointments 8am each day, the line is rammed and by the time I get my dinner break they have none left.
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Same where we are.

Monday gone I rang to get a consultation/review with my GP regarding some medication I'm on. Rang at 8:01am only to get an automated message telling me I was 'caller number 18 in the queue'. Hung up - even if I'd waited there would likely be no appointments left for me that day.

Rang back on Wednesday - 8th in the queue but hung on and got a telephone consultation at 5:20pm that night.

F@cking ridiculous system where can't you ring up and make advance appointments nowadays - the only way is if the surgery arrange it for you.

I'm lucky that my workplace are quite flexible on things like this but there are still plenty of places that wouldn't be happy with you ringing in on a morning to say you can't come in because you've a GP appointment later that same day.
 
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Jap Stammer said:
Same where we are.

Monday gone I rang to get a consultation/review with my GP regarding some medication I'm on. Rang at 8:01am only to get an automated message telling me I was 'caller number 18 in the queue'. Hung up - even if I'd waited there would likely be no appointments left for me that day.

Rang back on Wednesday - 8th in the queue but hung on and got a telephone consultation at 5:20pm that night.

F@cking ridiculous system where can't you ring up and make advance appointments nowadays - the only way is if the surgery arrange it for you.

I'm lucky that my workplace are quite flexible on things like this but there are still plenty of places that wouldn't be happy with you ringing in on a morning to say you can't come in because you've a GP appointment later that same day.
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Aye you’re knackered if you work. It’s a sad state of affairs.
 
ajthemackem said:
That's fair comment mind.
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It's quite worrying when you look at the NHS staff too. I'd say at least half of Ambulance service staff are an unhealthy weight and its at least that percentage on the wards. Seemingly, working in health and being reminded daily about the outcomes of unhealthy living doesn't stop health workers falling into the same trap.

There's more to it than simply "getting the message across" imo.
 
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